Engineers Australia Skills Assessment

3K_bella · November 2020

@stihlce12 said:

@3K_bella said:
Hi fellow engineers, just cross posting here. Basically civil in general ang experience ko, so applying for 233211 - Civil Engineer. But I have different roles like sa project management, execution, proposal/bidding, quantity surveying, warranty stage, etc, all of those are part of my job as CE. Im just confused kasi yung sa ANZSCO may separate na quantity surveyor, construction project manager, civil engineer, etc. Planning to put my experience as bid project manager sa career episode ko. Would that be okay? or that falls under construction project manager? Under kasi dun yung tender and contract bids. Thank you in advance.

Hi Bella, i think we have similar case. i am CE with site operation experience and now QS working. If I refer to ANZSCO, QS in within the unit group of CE professional. thus, our QS experience are related to Civil Engineer. Creating CDR with our QS experience is quite complex because you have to ensure that the content shall comply with CE prof competency element (MSA Booklet). so as long u can correlate the QS work in CE competency then could be fine. I saw sample in the internet a QS CDR

Hi @stihlce12. Thank you for your comment. Yeah I think that's what's confusing kasi broad ang range ng civil engineer. If I just have to look sa general role description of professional engineer sa MSA, I think pasok naman but if I have to look at ANZSCO medyo nagdoubt ako kasi "plans, designs, organises and oversees" not sure where does tender/bid process fall on that. But will try to associate that experience sa professional engineer competency elements. Otherwise, I have to think another career episode.

stihlce12 · November 2020

then could be fine. I saw sample in the internet a QS CDR

Hi @stihlce12. Thank you for your comment. Yeah I think that's what's confusing kasi broad ang range ng civil engineer. If I just have to look sa general role description of professional engineer sa MSA, I think pasok naman but if I have to look at ANZSCO medyo nagdoubt ako kasi "plans, designs, organises and oversees" not sure where does tender/bid process fall on that. But will try to associate that experience sa professional engineer competency elements. Otherwise, I have to think another career episode.

Hi Bella, no problem the least that i could help. base din d2 sa thread n to just stick on MSA Booklet, nka describe nmn don how u should demonstrate your competency. somehow, per our experiences it could be correlate. mag DIY kaba? Me, already drafted the content of my CDR inihimay himay ko pa..

3K_bella · November 2020

@stihlce12 said:
then could be fine. I saw sample in the internet a QS CDR

Hi @stihlce12. Thank you for your comment. Yeah I think that's what's confusing kasi broad ang range ng civil engineer. If I just have to look sa general role description of professional engineer sa MSA, I think pasok naman but if I have to look at ANZSCO medyo nagdoubt ako kasi "plans, designs, organises and oversees" not sure where does tender/bid process fall on that. But will try to associate that experience sa professional engineer competency elements. Otherwise, I have to think another career episode.

Hi Bella, no problem the least that i could help. base din d2 sa thread n to just stick on MSA Booklet, nka describe nmn don how u should demonstrate your competency. somehow, per our experiences it could be correlate. mag DIY kaba? Me, already drafted the content of my CDR inihimay himay ko pa..

@stihlce12 I have an agent pero I'm still considering anong okay na career episode and ilalagay ko. Drafting the first part is the hardest. Good luck to your EA skill assessment!

toyotafx · November 2020

My suggestion on creating a CDR is, pick projects that will showcase engineering competencies based on the MSA guidelines for PEs, EAs, and ETs. You then align what you did in those projects to your ANZSCO occupation. Some occupations might be broad, but the general idea is, if the primary role or occupation that you are demonstrating in your CDR fits how ANZSCO described it, doesn't matter if you tick one or two or all of how the occupation is described. As long as the engineering competencies are filled in the CDR according to the MSA and the some (not all) description of that occupation in ANZSCO is met, then you should be okay.

Don't use CDR writing services. The risk is far greater than the reward.

RheaMARN1171933 · November 2020

@toyotafx said:
My suggestion on creating a CDR is, pick projects that will showcase engineering competencies based on the MSA guidelines for PEs, EAs, and ETs. You then align what you did in those projects to your ANZSCO occupation. Some occupations might be broad, but the general idea is, if the primary role or occupation that you are demonstrating in your CDR fits how ANZSCO described it, doesn't matter if you tick one or two or all of how the occupation is described. As long as the engineering competencies are filled in the CDR according to the MSA and the some (not all) description of that occupation in ANZSCO is met, then you should be okay.

Don't use CDR writing services. The risk is far greater than the reward.

@toyotafx said:
My suggestion on creating a CDR is, pick projects that will showcase engineering competencies based on the MSA guidelines for PEs, EAs, and ETs. You then align what you did in those projects to your ANZSCO occupation. Some occupations might be broad, but the general idea is, if the primary role or occupation that you are demonstrating in your CDR fits how ANZSCO described it, doesn't matter if you tick one or two or all of how the occupation is described. As long as the engineering competencies are filled in the CDR according to the MSA and the some (not all) description of that occupation in ANZSCO is met, then you should be okay.

Don't use CDR writing services. The risk is far greater than the reward.

You’re definitely in the right track. ANZSCO myst be used as reference. Cannot stress enough to not use writing services. It’s your career and work experience which no one else can know better than yourself. To be honest we’ve never assisted clients with the content of their CDR as engineering is not our scope of expertise. Also, we encourage clients to write and use their own words as it is unethical for us to do this for them - that’s altering data on their behalf. What we do is we guide them on the technical side, if it meets the format and requirements. I’ve always believe that if one is able to obtain an engineering degree, one is capable to write the CDR. We have been using such approach since day 1 and we’ve not so far had negative outcome on skills assessments for EA. This goes to show, there is definitely no need to hire any writing services.

3K_bella · November 2020

@stihlce12 said:
then could be fine. I saw sample in the internet a QS CDR

Hi @stihlce12. Thank you for your comment. Yeah I think that's what's confusing kasi broad ang range ng civil engineer. If I just have to look sa general role description of professional engineer sa MSA, I think pasok naman but if I have to look at ANZSCO medyo nagdoubt ako kasi "plans, designs, organises and oversees" not sure where does tender/bid process fall on that. But will try to associate that experience sa professional engineer competency elements. Otherwise, I have to think another career episode.

Hi Bella, no problem the least that i could help. base din d2 sa thread n to just stick on MSA Booklet, nka describe nmn don how u should demonstrate your competency. somehow, per our experiences it could be correlate. mag DIY kaba? Me, already drafted the content of my CDR inihimay himay ko pa..

Sorry @stihlce12 , just want to clarify, were you talking about an agent to check on your CDR? What I meant of agent is the agent to assist me in whole application process from EOI to lodging the visa application (if invited). For my CDR, I will do everything by myself and I guess part of my agent's job is to check all the documents I'll submit for my EOI and that includes my CDR...to give advice, perhaps. But not sure if there's an agent who could only do the checking of CDR.

stihlce12 · November 2020

You’re definitely in the right track. ANZSCO myst be used as reference. Cannot stress enough to not use writing services. It’s your career and work experience which no one else can know better than yourself. To be honest we’ve never assisted clients with the content of their CDR as engineering is not our scope of expertise. Also, we encourage clients to write and use their own words as it is unethical for us to do this for them - that’s altering data on their behalf. What we do is we guide them on the technical side, if it meets the format and requirements. I’ve always believe that if one is able to obtain an engineering degree, one is capable to write the CDR. We have been using such approach since day 1 and we’ve not so far had negative outcome on skills assessments for EA. This goes to show, there is definitely no need to hire any writing services.

Hi Rhea, you said that "we guided on technical side if it meets to format and requirements" these service is within package from the whole migration consultancy? no such thing exclusive service for checking only the CDR or assisting client for EA skill assessment?

Scofield · November 2020

Ngayon ko lang nalaman may ganitong forum pala. Medyo nakakapagod din magbasa sa dami pero worth it. Haha. I plan to submit my documents sa EA for assessment. Hinihintay ko nalang yun delivery ng English translation ng diploma ko at need ko pa rin magrequest ng COE sa employer ko. Isa lang employer ko kasi dun na ko na-hire after graduation. Okay lang ba yun COE eh standard format ng company? I tried kasi to draft yun content ng COE (with chronological listing ng mga projects I worked on and inilagay ko rin yun specific na ginawa) at yun sana yun gusto kong ipasa para mag-match din sa CDR ko.

RheaMARN1171933 · November 2020

@stihlce12 said:

You’re definitely in the right track. ANZSCO myst be used as reference. Cannot stress enough to not use writing services. It’s your career and work experience which no one else can know better than yourself. To be honest we’ve never assisted clients with the content of their CDR as engineering is not our scope of expertise. Also, we encourage clients to write and use their own words as it is unethical for us to do this for them - that’s altering data on their behalf. What we do is we guide them on the technical side, if it meets the format and requirements. I’ve always believe that if one is able to obtain an engineering degree, one is capable to write the CDR. We have been using such approach since day 1 and we’ve not so far had negative outcome on skills assessments for EA. This goes to show, there is definitely no need to hire any writing services.

Hi Rhea, you said that "we guided on technical side if it meets to format and requirements" these service is within package from the whole migration consultancy? no such thing exclusive service for checking only the CDR or assisting client for EA skill assessment?

That’s the actual skills assessment assistance. If you’re expecting an agent or staff to write your CDR, definitely not something we do. We guide them to make sure they meet all the requirements and submit a decision ready application. Don’t expect any agent to be all of a sudden knowledgeable with the engineering side of things - you’ll never find one. No agent can ever check the content of your CDR. That’s your expertise. Just to be clear, CDR isn’t the skills assessment, that’s only part of the skills assessment.

What happens is if client sends us their CDR, we will browse through it. I read through it. There are occasions when I read very vague statements so I just tell the client to expound on what he/she’s trying to say on that section to address the requirement. Also, if I think the client didn’t address what was required, I will provide my feedback. That’s the most we can do. I cannot tell the client what exactly he/she should write in there. I’m not exactly sure what you expect when you refer to “checking the CDR”

RheaMARN1171933 · November 2020

@Scofield said:
Ngayon ko lang nalaman may ganitong forum pala. Medyo nakakapagod din magbasa sa dami pero worth it. Haha. I plan to submit my documents sa EA for assessment. Hinihintay ko nalang yun delivery ng English translation ng diploma ko at need ko pa rin magrequest ng COE sa employer ko. Isa lang employer ko kasi dun na ko na-hire after graduation. Okay lang ba yun COE eh standard format ng company? I tried kasi to draft yun content ng COE (with chronological listing ng mga projects I worked on and inilagay ko rin yun specific na ginawa) at yun sana yun gusto kong ipasa para mag-match din sa CDR ko.

Make sure to submit an employment reference letter and not a COE. As per the guideline, EA isn’t asking for a COE at all but an employment reference letter. Make sure you know the difference.

Scofield · November 2020

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@Scofield said:
Ngayon ko lang nalaman may ganitong forum pala. Medyo nakakapagod din magbasa sa dami pero worth it. Haha. I plan to submit my documents sa EA for assessment. Hinihintay ko nalang yun delivery ng English translation ng diploma ko at need ko pa rin magrequest ng COE sa employer ko. Isa lang employer ko kasi dun na ko na-hire after graduation. Okay lang ba yun COE eh standard format ng company? I tried kasi to draft yun content ng COE (with chronological listing ng mga projects I worked on and inilagay ko rin yun specific na ginawa) at yun sana yun gusto kong ipasa para mag-match din sa CDR ko.

Make sure to submit an employment reference letter and not a COE. As per the guideline, EA isn’t asking for a COE at all but an employment reference letter. Make sure you know the difference.

OMG! Talaga po ba? Sige po. Thank thank you sa information na to.

reoman · November 2020

Ano po ba nakalagay sa outcome letter ng engineers australia?

toyotafx · November 2020

@reoman said:
Ano po ba nakalagay sa outcome letter ng engineers australia?

reoman · November 2020

@toyotafx said:

@reoman said:
Ano po ba nakalagay sa outcome letter ng engineers australia?

Thanks sir. Bale yung total years of exp po ba dun madedetermine yung points na aaward sayo? Meron kasi akong 2 years na wala akong makuhang proof. Ayaw akong bigyan ng employment letter haha.

toyotafx · November 2020

@reoman said:

@toyotafx said:

@reoman said:
Ano po ba nakalagay sa outcome letter ng engineers australia?

Thanks sir. Bale yung total years of exp po ba dun madedetermine yung points na aaward sayo? Meron kasi akong 2 years na wala akong makuhang proof. Ayaw akong bigyan ng employment letter haha.

yes. so whatever you had assessed by EA, yun yung claim mo sa EOI mo boss. if you are not able to have those years assessed, no go.

reoman · November 2020

@toyotafx said:

@reoman said:

@toyotafx said:

@reoman said:
Ano po ba nakalagay sa outcome letter ng engineers australia?

Thanks sir. Bale yung total years of exp po ba dun madedetermine yung points na aaward sayo? Meron kasi akong 2 years na wala akong makuhang proof. Ayaw akong bigyan ng employment letter haha.

yes. so whatever you had assessed by EA, yun yung claim mo sa EOI mo boss. if you are not able to have those years assessed, no go.

Sir, additional question lang, nag email kasi ako sa EA mismo asking about sa missing employment letter. Ang sabi sakin is send lang lahat ng alam kong related sa work exp ko tapos yung assessor na bahala. Based sa letter sau sir meron mga dates na di naconsider sayo. May nakuha ka bang chance to defend yung mga exp mo na yun?

toyotafx · November 2020

@reoman said:

@toyotafx said:

@reoman said:

@toyotafx said:

@reoman said:
Ano po ba nakalagay sa outcome letter ng engineers australia?

Thanks sir. Bale yung total years of exp po ba dun madedetermine yung points na aaward sayo? Meron kasi akong 2 years na wala akong makuhang proof. Ayaw akong bigyan ng employment letter haha.

yes. so whatever you had assessed by EA, yun yung claim mo sa EOI mo boss. if you are not able to have those years assessed, no go.

Sir, additional question lang, nag email kasi ako sa EA mismo asking about sa missing employment letter. Ang sabi sakin is send lang lahat ng alam kong related sa work exp ko tapos yung assessor na bahala. Based sa letter sau sir meron mga dates na di naconsider sayo. May nakuha ka bang chance to defend yung mga exp mo na yun?

i'm sure they will give you a "chance to defend", but they will only go on with the information you send them. If you don't have a reference letter from your employment or unable to get one, based from the MSA booklet of EA, it would be challenging for you to prove you were employed by employers who will not give you a reference letter.

reoman · November 2020

@toyotafx said:

@reoman said:

@toyotafx said:

@reoman said:

@toyotafx said:

@reoman said:
Ano po ba nakalagay sa outcome letter ng engineers australia?

Thanks sir. Bale yung total years of exp po ba dun madedetermine yung points na aaward sayo? Meron kasi akong 2 years na wala akong makuhang proof. Ayaw akong bigyan ng employment letter haha.

yes. so whatever you had assessed by EA, yun yung claim mo sa EOI mo boss. if you are not able to have those years assessed, no go.

Sir, additional question lang, nag email kasi ako sa EA mismo asking about sa missing employment letter. Ang sabi sakin is send lang lahat ng alam kong related sa work exp ko tapos yung assessor na bahala. Based sa letter sau sir meron mga dates na di naconsider sayo. May nakuha ka bang chance to defend yung mga exp mo na yun?

i'm sure they will give you a "chance to defend", but they will only go on with the information you send them. If you don't have a reference letter from your employment or unable to get one, based from the MSA booklet of EA, it would be challenging for you to prove you were employed by employers who will not give you a reference letter.

Meron po akong complete bank records ng mga sahod ko sa company na yun. Would that suffice? hehe. Sa tax forms naman kulang ng isang taon. Hays dadamot kasi ng mga company pag mga ganyan na paperworks.

EngrCyAlex · November 2020

Hi po. Pwede po humingi ng sample ng cv na inaattach sa EA? Please. 🙏🙏🙏 eto po email ko. 😊[email protected]

EngrCyAlex · November 2020

Hi po. May nakaview na po ng philhealth contributions nila sa website ng philhealth lately? Downloadable po ba yun? Di ko maopen yung akin ang sabi under maintenance daw.

EngrCyAlex · November 2020

Hi. May member po ba ng PICE dito? Nakakakuha po ba ng membership certificate?

tigerlance · November 2020

@reoman said:

@toyotafx said:

@reoman said:

@toyotafx said:

@reoman said:

@toyotafx said:

@reoman said:
Ano po ba nakalagay sa outcome letter ng engineers australia?

Thanks sir. Bale yung total years of exp po ba dun madedetermine yung points na aaward sayo? Meron kasi akong 2 years na wala akong makuhang proof. Ayaw akong bigyan ng employment letter haha.

yes. so whatever you had assessed by EA, yun yung claim mo sa EOI mo boss. if you are not able to have those years assessed, no go.

Sir, additional question lang, nag email kasi ako sa EA mismo asking about sa missing employment letter. Ang sabi sakin is send lang lahat ng alam kong related sa work exp ko tapos yung assessor na bahala. Based sa letter sau sir meron mga dates na di naconsider sayo. May nakuha ka bang chance to defend yung mga exp mo na yun?

i'm sure they will give you a "chance to defend", but they will only go on with the information you send them. If you don't have a reference letter from your employment or unable to get one, based from the MSA booklet of EA, it would be challenging for you to prove you were employed by employers who will not give you a reference letter.

Meron po akong complete bank records ng mga sahod ko sa company na yun. Would that suffice? hehe. Sa tax forms naman kulang ng isang taon. Hays dadamot kasi ng mga company pag mga ganyan na paperworks.

Kuha ka sa BIR. Importante ang third party evidence ( government agency)/ kaysa 2nd party evidence (company).

tigerlance · November 2020

@reoman said:

@toyotafx said:

@reoman said:

@toyotafx said:

@reoman said:

@toyotafx said:

@reoman said:
Ano po ba nakalagay sa outcome letter ng engineers australia?

Thanks sir. Bale yung total years of exp po ba dun madedetermine yung points na aaward sayo? Meron kasi akong 2 years na wala akong makuhang proof. Ayaw akong bigyan ng employment letter haha.

yes. so whatever you had assessed by EA, yun yung claim mo sa EOI mo boss. if you are not able to have those years assessed, no go.

Sir, additional question lang, nag email kasi ako sa EA mismo asking about sa missing employment letter. Ang sabi sakin is send lang lahat ng alam kong related sa work exp ko tapos yung assessor na bahala. Based sa letter sau sir meron mga dates na di naconsider sayo. May nakuha ka bang chance to defend yung mga exp mo na yun?

i'm sure they will give you a "chance to defend", but they will only go on with the information you send them. If you don't have a reference letter from your employment or unable to get one, based from the MSA booklet of EA, it would be challenging for you to prove you were employed by employers who will not give you a reference letter.

Meron po akong complete bank records ng mga sahod ko sa company na yun. Would that suffice? hehe. Sa tax forms naman kulang ng isang taon. Hays dadamot kasi ng mga company pag mga ganyan na paperworks.

1.PRIMARY DOCUMENTSReference letter on official company letterhead to:Indicate 5 main duties undertaken, job title or position;Indicate the exact period of employment (commencement and completion dates);Be endorsed and dated by the manager/direct supervisor/HR Section (with official telephone & email address);Indicate full or part-time with number of work hours;Pay rate;Include the company’s stamp if applicable

.2.SECONDARY DOCUMENTS
Income Tax Return Acknowledgement or Receipt; and/or
Social Security Insurance
/ Superfund/
Provident Fund
/ Retirement Contribution Statement Reports

Provide them: ITR Form 2316 complete, SSS Contributions, HDMF (Pag-ibig)
Madali lang naman ito. Yung mahirap yung reference letter, na ikaw na mismong gagawa and papirmahin mo sa boss mo.

EngrCyAlex · November 2020

Hi. Medyo confused lang po dito. Ang pinaprepare po kasi ng agent ko ay standard coe in company letterhead signed by HR plus affidavit with detailed job description, payrate, duration, employment status, working hrs, signed by my immediate supervisor. Ok lang po ba yun?

mugsy27 · November 2020

@EngrCyAlex said:
Hi po. Pwede po humingi ng sample ng cv na inaattach sa EA? Please. 🙏🙏🙏 eto po email ko. 😊[email protected]

follow mo lang po format na to...

https://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/sites/default/files/content-files/2016-12/chronological_resume.pdf

EngrCyAlex · November 2020

@mugsy27 said:

@EngrCyAlex said:
Hi po. Pwede po humingi ng sample ng cv na inaattach sa EA? Please. 🙏🙏🙏 eto po email ko. 😊[email protected]

follow mo lang po format na to...

https://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/sites/default/files/content-files/2016-12/chronological_resume.pdf

Thank you po. 🙂

ericson29 · December 2020

good day community I would like to ask for help. I am looking for a reference CDR for Production engineer, this would really help me a lot . my email is [email protected]. thank you and have a good day

EngrCyAlex · December 2020

Hello po. How much po bayad kay EA pag fast track po? Cdr and rsea.

ericson29 · December 2020

hello po mga ka EE i would like to ask for your help and opinion, I am working as a Production Engineer for an Electrical Panel Manufacturing company here in the Philippines I am wondering which ANZCO code will I base my CDR if its for the Electrical Engineer (supervises the manufacture, installation, operation and maintenance of equipment, machines and systems for the generation, distribution, utilisation and control of electric power) or the Production Engineer ( which also covers the description o my present work). Which would be better and will have the better outcome