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  • rose85rose85 singapore
    Posts: 6Member
    Joined: Jan 31, 2018

    @Capuccino_2017 thank you po sa info. hopefully bago matapos December mapa assess kona.

    Capuccino_2017
  • RU334RU334 Posts: 26Member
    Joined: Dec 16, 2020

    Is there anyone who is registered as a Biochemist by VETASSESS?

  • topetope Posts: 15Member
    Joined: May 12, 2020

    Hello po sa lahat... happy new year.

    I am planning to have my credentials assessed by VETASSESS this coming month, hinihintay ko nlng ung renewal release ng passport ko.

    (THIS IS JUST TO GATHER MORE INFO)

    i am a graduate of Bs.interior design sa pinas with 3yrs of working experience as Mech.draftsman in Saudi and 6yrs here in pinas as autocad operator.

    which is better po ba to nominate sa Skill occupation.
    A. ARCHITECTURAL DRAFTSPERSON
    B. INTERIOR DESIGNER (not licensed)

    then, lets say i got a possitive assessment sa Vetassess, mg.ssend na ako ng application for EOI, and lets say again na ininvite ako for regional state sponsorship.

    Do i need po ba agad na mg.send ulit ng EOI sa state or region and wait for their invite before ako mg.apply ng visa.

    sorry medyo mahaba... DIY lg kasi...

    thanku po in advance

  • EnhinyeraEnhinyera Posts: 67Member
    Joined: Jan 03, 2021

    Hi, question: if ang nominated skill ko is Construction Project Manager ANZSCO 133111, ok lang ba if yung positions/job titles on my work experiences are not Managerial Roles? Pero yung job descriptions indicated under 133111 naman are aligned with roles na ginagawa sa previous and current jobs ko. Thank you.

  • RheaMARN1171933RheaMARN1171933 Posts: 2,768Member, Administrator, Moderator
    Joined: Mar 10, 2016

    @Enhinyera said:
    Hi, question: if ang nominated skill ko is Construction Project Manager ANZSCO 133111, ok lang ba if yung positions/job titles on my work experiences are not Managerial Roles? Pero yung job descriptions indicated under 133111 naman are aligned with roles na ginagawa sa previous and current jobs ko. Thank you.

    Titles are mere titles, as long as the tasks are aligned with the ANZSCO definition. Make sure to provide an org chart showing your position in the company. They need to see that you’re in a managerial level. All the best.

  • EnhinyeraEnhinyera Posts: 67Member
    Joined: Jan 03, 2021

    @RheaMARN1171933 said:

    @Enhinyera said:
    Hi, question: if ang nominated skill ko is Construction Project Manager ANZSCO 133111, ok lang ba if yung positions/job titles on my work experiences are not Managerial Roles? Pero yung job descriptions indicated under 133111 naman are aligned with roles na ginagawa sa previous and current jobs ko. Thank you.

    Titles are mere titles, as long as the tasks are aligned with the ANZSCO definition. Make sure to provide an org chart showing your position in the company. They need to see that you’re in a managerial level. All the best.

    Thank you @RheaMARN1171933 . Follow up question, ok lang ba if yung org chart ako lang gumawa and not on the company's letterhead? Im based in Manila already and yung mga previous company ko is in Singapore, baka hindi na ko makakuha from them 😔

  • EnhinyeraEnhinyera Posts: 67Member
    Joined: Jan 03, 2021

    Hi, for construction project manager, nagrerequire si vetassess ng organizational chart? Meron na po ba nakapagsubmit dito ng org chart? May template or format po ba to? Thank you.

  • xiaoxuexiaoxue Dubai
    Posts: 140Member
    Joined: Feb 23, 2020

    @Enhinyera said:
    Hi, for construction project manager, nagrerequire si vetassess ng organizational chart? Meron na po ba nakapagsubmit dito ng org chart? May template or format po ba to? Thank you.

    Hmmm.. sa mismong Construction Project Manager na Info Sheet, walang sinabi about org chart requirement. Pero sa SRG01 − Explanatory notes for Skills Assessment ang sabi:
    Organisational chart (on company letterhead) highlighting your duties. This evidence is compulsory IF nominating a managerial occupation.

  • EnhinyeraEnhinyera Posts: 67Member
    Joined: Jan 03, 2021

    @xiaoxue said:

    @Enhinyera said:
    Hi, for construction project manager, nagrerequire si vetassess ng organizational chart? Meron na po ba nakapagsubmit dito ng org chart? May template or format po ba to? Thank you.

    Hmmm.. sa mismong Construction Project Manager na Info Sheet, walang sinabi about org chart requirement. Pero sa SRG01 − Explanatory notes for Skills Assessment ang sabi:
    Organisational chart (on company letterhead) highlighting your duties. This evidence is compulsory IF nominating a managerial occupation.

    Hi @xiaoxue , thanks for replying. Based on vetassess website kase nasa list yung construction project manager sa required magsubmit ng org chart. I would like to know sana if meron dito nakasubmit na, i'm not sure kase if there's a template or format na required.

    xiaoxue
  • RheaMARN1171933RheaMARN1171933 Posts: 2,768Member, Administrator, Moderator
    Joined: Mar 10, 2016

    @xiaoxue said:

    @Enhinyera said:
    Hi, for construction project manager, nagrerequire si vetassess ng organizational chart? Meron na po ba nakapagsubmit dito ng org chart? May template or format po ba to? Thank you.

    Hmmm.. sa mismong Construction Project Manager na Info Sheet, walang sinabi about org chart requirement. Pero sa SRG01 − Explanatory notes for Skills Assessment ang sabi:
    Organisational chart (on company letterhead) highlighting your duties. This evidence is compulsory IF nominating a managerial occupation.

    Org chart is definitely required for Construction project manager.

    xiaoxue
  • EnhinyeraEnhinyera Posts: 67Member
    Joined: Jan 03, 2021

    @RheaMARN1171933 said:

    @xiaoxue said:

    @Enhinyera said:
    Hi, for construction project manager, nagrerequire si vetassess ng organizational chart? Meron na po ba nakapagsubmit dito ng org chart? May template or format po ba to? Thank you.

    Hmmm.. sa mismong Construction Project Manager na Info Sheet, walang sinabi about org chart requirement. Pero sa SRG01 − Explanatory notes for Skills Assessment ang sabi:
    Organisational chart (on company letterhead) highlighting your duties. This evidence is compulsory IF nominating a managerial occupation.

    Org chart is definitely required for Construction project manager.

    Thank you, @RheaMARN1171933 😊

  • Jam041019Jam041019 Posts: 45Member
    Joined: Dec 06, 2019

    Hello po, ask po sana ako ng help sa pag fill up sa vetasses ano po ung "Name of awarding body" dun sa tertiary education? CHED po ba nilalagay nyo doon? Thanks

  • Jam041019Jam041019 Posts: 45Member
    Joined: Dec 06, 2019

    Another question po. Ano po ang difference or magiging impact ng below changes example po ung interior designer from B to C?

  • Jam041019Jam041019 Posts: 45Member
    Joined: Dec 06, 2019

    Ung work experience po ba na finifull upan sa vetassess pag kunwari same company tapos napromote ng ilang beses need ba i breakdown un or pwedeng unh current position lng ilagay since mag aatached din naman ako ng coe with breakdown ng promoted position? Thanks po sa sasagot

  • marosemarose Philippines
    Posts: 13Member
    Joined: May 06, 2019

    Hi po. I have a question lang if meron na po ditong nakapagpa-assess under PROGRAM / PROJECT
    ADMINISTRATOR (ANZSCO 511112). Baka po pwedeng makishare ng experience ninyo
    . Currently kasi medyo nagdadalawang isip ako kung tama bang inominate to in relation to my work experience. Currently may 3 years experience po ako in handling projects but merely coordinating tasks with project managers, technical people, supervisors and clients. More on advisory po ang work ko. Tapos may 2 years experience din po ako as project engineer in the government mainly overseeing infrastructure works, coordinating variations, approval of billings and time extensions. Any advise po? Thank you.

  • marosemarose Philippines
    Posts: 13Member
    Joined: May 06, 2019

    One more question. If I pursue assessment with VETASSES, paano po if yung direct supervisor ko sa dati kong work ay resigned na at yung company ay nagrestructure, pwede pa din po bang sa kanya ako magpapirma ng "Statement of Service"? Sabi sa guidelines pwede din HR pero paano po if ibang name na nung company at nagrestructure na. Need help po. Thank you.

  • Rej1019Rej1019 Posts: 36Member
    Joined: Aug 20, 2020

    Hey guys! Hope you’re all doin well,,
    Clarify ko lang guys kung may nakuha ako statement of service sa lahat ng naging previous company ko, need pa ba ng stat declaratio, right now i have some payslip, bank statement and sss/pagibig and philhealth records, Thank you!

  • Rej1019Rej1019 Posts: 36Member
    Joined: Aug 20, 2020

    Hello guys! I just received my Vetassess result, thanks to this forum!
    BTW, I made a YT video about my Vetassess Application Journey, you can check it out at:

    Title: MY VETASSESS APPLICATION JOURNEY & RESULT | PINOY EDITION (2021)

    Mau7661stRoundOnMecaspersushi24yhsoquemrs_hopefulera222
  • ron914ron914 Posts: 8Member
    Joined: Apr 25, 2021

    Question lang on Statutory Declaration, I am planning to submit this in replacement of Statement of Service, I can provide other documents naman to support Evidence of Employment (Promotion letters, payslips, awards/certificates, Certificate of Employment etc.). Just not in the format of the Statement of Service, my concern is I do not want to inform my Employer at this stage since skill assessment pa lang naman, I also read that you can mention in the Statutory Declaration that informing the Employer that we are exploring options on migrating ast this stage might have a negative impact and compromise current employment situation and future career opportunities.

    From what I understand this is equivalent to Affidavit here in the Philippines, does anyone of you have a sample copy for the Statutory Declaration?

    mikelleley13
  • bluebubblebluebubble Singapore
    Posts: 64Member
    Joined: Jun 10, 2019

    Hi sino po dito ang Chef na nag passess sa Vetassess. Ganon po ba talgaa kamahal ang magagastos 5,000 po para sa assessment palang? Salamt

  • mikellemikelle Posts: 171Member
    Joined: May 10, 2021

    @Rej1019 said:
    Hello guys! I just received my Vetassess result, thanks to this forum!
    BTW, I made a YT video about my Vetassess Application Journey, you can check it out at:

    Title: MY VETASSESS APPLICATION JOURNEY & RESULT | PINOY EDITION (2021)

    Hi po, I watched your video. Thank you for the information shared. Ask ko lang po if need po ba nakacertified true copy lahat ng documents bago iscanned and submit to VETASSESS? May nagsabi po kasi sa akin dati na need lahat CTC but, as per VETASSESS website, no need certifications. Sana po masagot po ninyo. Salamat po.

    511112 Program or Project Administrator

    2021
    June 2021: Started gathering documents for VETASSESS application
    12 Aug 2021: Submitted application to VETASSESS
    02 Oct 2021: Partner took PTE Exam
    04 Oct 2021: Released PTE Exam Results (Partner)
    21 Nov 2021: Received Positive Outcome Letter from VETASSESS

    2022
    02 Feb 2022: Partner lodged assessment application to EA (fast-track)
    09 Mar 2022: EA requested additional documents
    30 Mar 2022: Partner submitted additional documents to EA
    03 Apr 2022: Received Positive Outcome Letter from EA
    18 Apr 2022: Took PTE Exam
    18 Apr 2022: Released PTE Exam Results (Superior)
    18 Apr 2022: Lodged EOI (SC190: 85+5pts)
    11 Aug 2022: Submitted ROI for VIC
    06 Sep 2022: Received Pre-invite from VIC for SC190
    08 Sep 2022: Submitted supporting documents and application for VIC State Nomination SC190
    27 Sep 2022: Received approval of VIC nomination and ITA
    25 Oct 2022: Lodged Visa (VIC SC190) - uploaded NBI + form 80 + form 1221 + other pertinent documents
    04 Nov 2022: Medical Exam
    10 Nov 2022: Medical Exams Results - no action required (cleared)
    16 Mar 2022: Received Pre-invite from NSW for SC190

    2023
    11 April 2023: VISA GRANT!!!

    All other EOIs are already withdrawn upon grant of visa.

    Purely DIY with God's guidance

  • RheaMARN1171933RheaMARN1171933 Posts: 2,768Member, Administrator, Moderator
    Joined: Mar 10, 2016

    @mikelle said:

    @Rej1019 said:
    Hello guys! I just received my Vetassess result, thanks to this forum!
    BTW, I made a YT video about my Vetassess Application Journey, you can check it out at:

    Title: MY VETASSESS APPLICATION JOURNEY & RESULT | PINOY EDITION (2021)

    Hi po, I watched your video. Thank you for the information shared. Ask ko lang po if need po ba nakacertified true copy lahat ng documents bago iscanned and submit to VETASSESS? May nagsabi po kasi sa akin dati na need lahat CTC but, as per VETASSESS website, no need certifications. Sana po masagot po ninyo. Salamat po.

    We don’t ask clients certified copies anymore. They just need to provide clear coloured copies. Always refer to the guideline vs blogs/info from others as the guideline is always the updated requirements.

    mikelleyhsoque
  • mikellemikelle Posts: 171Member
    Joined: May 10, 2021

    @RheaMARN1171933 said:

    @mikelle said:

    @Rej1019 said:
    Hello guys! I just received my Vetassess result, thanks to this forum!
    BTW, I made a YT video about my Vetassess Application Journey, you can check it out at:

    Title: MY VETASSESS APPLICATION JOURNEY & RESULT | PINOY EDITION (2021)

    Hi po, I watched your video. Thank you for the information shared. Ask ko lang po if need po ba nakacertified true copy lahat ng documents bago iscanned and submit to VETASSESS? May nagsabi po kasi sa akin dati na need lahat CTC but, as per VETASSESS website, no need certifications. Sana po masagot po ninyo. Salamat po.

    We don’t ask clients certified copies anymore. They just need to provide clear coloured copies. Always refer to the guideline vs blogs/info from others as the guideline is always the updated requirements.

    Hi Ms. Rhea, thank you for clarifying. Majority advises that documents should be in CTC even though, VETASSESS says in clear coloured copies only. Does this applies to Immi as well? I've read they require CTC if applicant will pass requirements through paper but, CTC wasn't mentioned if application is through online. I only see in clear copies. Hoping for your further assistance. Thank you.

    511112 Program or Project Administrator

    2021
    June 2021: Started gathering documents for VETASSESS application
    12 Aug 2021: Submitted application to VETASSESS
    02 Oct 2021: Partner took PTE Exam
    04 Oct 2021: Released PTE Exam Results (Partner)
    21 Nov 2021: Received Positive Outcome Letter from VETASSESS

    2022
    02 Feb 2022: Partner lodged assessment application to EA (fast-track)
    09 Mar 2022: EA requested additional documents
    30 Mar 2022: Partner submitted additional documents to EA
    03 Apr 2022: Received Positive Outcome Letter from EA
    18 Apr 2022: Took PTE Exam
    18 Apr 2022: Released PTE Exam Results (Superior)
    18 Apr 2022: Lodged EOI (SC190: 85+5pts)
    11 Aug 2022: Submitted ROI for VIC
    06 Sep 2022: Received Pre-invite from VIC for SC190
    08 Sep 2022: Submitted supporting documents and application for VIC State Nomination SC190
    27 Sep 2022: Received approval of VIC nomination and ITA
    25 Oct 2022: Lodged Visa (VIC SC190) - uploaded NBI + form 80 + form 1221 + other pertinent documents
    04 Nov 2022: Medical Exam
    10 Nov 2022: Medical Exams Results - no action required (cleared)
    16 Mar 2022: Received Pre-invite from NSW for SC190

    2023
    11 April 2023: VISA GRANT!!!

    All other EOIs are already withdrawn upon grant of visa.

    Purely DIY with God's guidance

  • RheaMARN1171933RheaMARN1171933 Posts: 2,768Member, Administrator, Moderator
    Joined: Mar 10, 2016

    @mikelle said:

    @RheaMARN1171933 said:

    @mikelle said:

    @Rej1019 said:
    Hello guys! I just received my Vetassess result, thanks to this forum!
    BTW, I made a YT video about my Vetassess Application Journey, you can check it out at:

    Title: MY VETASSESS APPLICATION JOURNEY & RESULT | PINOY EDITION (2021)

    Hi po, I watched your video. Thank you for the information shared. Ask ko lang po if need po ba nakacertified true copy lahat ng documents bago iscanned and submit to VETASSESS? May nagsabi po kasi sa akin dati na need lahat CTC but, as per VETASSESS website, no need certifications. Sana po masagot po ninyo. Salamat po.

    We don’t ask clients certified copies anymore. They just need to provide clear coloured copies. Always refer to the guideline vs blogs/info from others as the guideline is always the updated requirements.

    Hi Ms. Rhea, thank you for clarifying. Majority advises that documents should be in CTC even though, VETASSESS says in clear coloured copies only. Does this applies to Immi as well? I've read they require CTC if applicant will pass requirements through paper but, CTC wasn't mentioned if application is through online. I only see in clear copies. Hoping for your further assistance. Thank you.

    CTC is the old process. What we usually do is we tailor all documents from the beginning to ensure it meets the requirements for both skills assessing authority and home affairs. That way there’s not much work to do for the clients at visa application stage since most documents are already ready and compliant. Hope that helps.

    mikelleyhsoque
  • mikellemikelle Posts: 171Member
    Joined: May 10, 2021

    @RheaMARN1171933 said:

    @mikelle said:

    @RheaMARN1171933 said:

    @mikelle said:

    @Rej1019 said:
    Hello guys! I just received my Vetassess result, thanks to this forum!
    BTW, I made a YT video about my Vetassess Application Journey, you can check it out at:

    Title: MY VETASSESS APPLICATION JOURNEY & RESULT | PINOY EDITION (2021)

    Hi po, I watched your video. Thank you for the information shared. Ask ko lang po if need po ba nakacertified true copy lahat ng documents bago iscanned and submit to VETASSESS? May nagsabi po kasi sa akin dati na need lahat CTC but, as per VETASSESS website, no need certifications. Sana po masagot po ninyo. Salamat po.

    We don’t ask clients certified copies anymore. They just need to provide clear coloured copies. Always refer to the guideline vs blogs/info from others as the guideline is always the updated requirements.

    Hi Ms. Rhea, thank you for clarifying. Majority advises that documents should be in CTC even though, VETASSESS says in clear coloured copies only. Does this applies to Immi as well? I've read they require CTC if applicant will pass requirements through paper but, CTC wasn't mentioned if application is through online. I only see in clear copies. Hoping for your further assistance. Thank you.

    CTC is the old process. What we usually do is we tailor all documents from the beginning to ensure it meets the requirements for both skills assessing authority and home affairs. That way there’s not much work to do for the clients at visa application stage since most documents are already ready and compliant. Hope that helps.

    Thank you for clarifying Ms. Rhea. 😊

    511112 Program or Project Administrator

    2021
    June 2021: Started gathering documents for VETASSESS application
    12 Aug 2021: Submitted application to VETASSESS
    02 Oct 2021: Partner took PTE Exam
    04 Oct 2021: Released PTE Exam Results (Partner)
    21 Nov 2021: Received Positive Outcome Letter from VETASSESS

    2022
    02 Feb 2022: Partner lodged assessment application to EA (fast-track)
    09 Mar 2022: EA requested additional documents
    30 Mar 2022: Partner submitted additional documents to EA
    03 Apr 2022: Received Positive Outcome Letter from EA
    18 Apr 2022: Took PTE Exam
    18 Apr 2022: Released PTE Exam Results (Superior)
    18 Apr 2022: Lodged EOI (SC190: 85+5pts)
    11 Aug 2022: Submitted ROI for VIC
    06 Sep 2022: Received Pre-invite from VIC for SC190
    08 Sep 2022: Submitted supporting documents and application for VIC State Nomination SC190
    27 Sep 2022: Received approval of VIC nomination and ITA
    25 Oct 2022: Lodged Visa (VIC SC190) - uploaded NBI + form 80 + form 1221 + other pertinent documents
    04 Nov 2022: Medical Exam
    10 Nov 2022: Medical Exams Results - no action required (cleared)
    16 Mar 2022: Received Pre-invite from NSW for SC190

    2023
    11 April 2023: VISA GRANT!!!

    All other EOIs are already withdrawn upon grant of visa.

    Purely DIY with God's guidance

  • mikellemikelle Posts: 171Member
    Joined: May 10, 2021

    Hi everyone, I would just like to ask, medyo naconfused po kasi ako sa details to be entered in VETASSESS application. Should I input "High School Graduate Diploma" for Highest Schooling Certificate Obtained since details are under "Secondary School" and I have to input year completed. As based on my understanding, details on my bachelor's degree should be entered under Tertiary Education. I hope someone could enlighten me on this. Thank you.

    511112 Program or Project Administrator

    2021
    June 2021: Started gathering documents for VETASSESS application
    12 Aug 2021: Submitted application to VETASSESS
    02 Oct 2021: Partner took PTE Exam
    04 Oct 2021: Released PTE Exam Results (Partner)
    21 Nov 2021: Received Positive Outcome Letter from VETASSESS

    2022
    02 Feb 2022: Partner lodged assessment application to EA (fast-track)
    09 Mar 2022: EA requested additional documents
    30 Mar 2022: Partner submitted additional documents to EA
    03 Apr 2022: Received Positive Outcome Letter from EA
    18 Apr 2022: Took PTE Exam
    18 Apr 2022: Released PTE Exam Results (Superior)
    18 Apr 2022: Lodged EOI (SC190: 85+5pts)
    11 Aug 2022: Submitted ROI for VIC
    06 Sep 2022: Received Pre-invite from VIC for SC190
    08 Sep 2022: Submitted supporting documents and application for VIC State Nomination SC190
    27 Sep 2022: Received approval of VIC nomination and ITA
    25 Oct 2022: Lodged Visa (VIC SC190) - uploaded NBI + form 80 + form 1221 + other pertinent documents
    04 Nov 2022: Medical Exam
    10 Nov 2022: Medical Exams Results - no action required (cleared)
    16 Mar 2022: Received Pre-invite from NSW for SC190

    2023
    11 April 2023: VISA GRANT!!!

    All other EOIs are already withdrawn upon grant of visa.

    Purely DIY with God's guidance

  • michael713michael713 Posts: 25Member
    Joined: Jun 28, 2021

    @ron914 said:
    Question lang on Statutory Declaration, I am planning to submit this in replacement of Statement of Service, I can provide other documents naman to support Evidence of Employment (Promotion letters, payslips, awards/certificates, Certificate of Employment etc.). Just not in the format of the Statement of Service, my concern is I do not want to inform my Employer at this stage since skill assessment pa lang naman, I also read that you can mention in the Statutory Declaration that informing the Employer that we are exploring options on migrating ast this stage might have a negative impact and compromise current employment situation and future career opportunities.

    From what I understand this is equivalent to Affidavit here in the Philippines, does anyone of you have a sample copy for the Statutory Declaration?

    Hi Ron,
    Kamusta ang Vetassess submission mo? Tinanggap naman nila ang Statutory Declaration mo?
    Pareho kasi tayo ng situation.

    Thank you.
    Michael

  • caspersushi24caspersushi24 New Zealand
    Posts: 135Member
    Joined: Aug 16, 2021

    Binabawasan ba talaga ng VETASSESS ng 1yr work experience sa kahit anong profession?

    234411 Geologist
    18 Nov 2021 : PTE A Results - S90/R72/L80/W73

    25 Nov 2021 : VETASSESS - Lodged

    30 Apr 2022: VETASSESS - Positive Outcome

    6 May 2022: EOI Submitted - WA, SA, NT, VIC, QLD; 190 (75pts) / 491 (85pts)

    16 Nov 2022: VETASSESS Reassessment

    03 Jan 2023: PTE Retake

    May 2023: Big Move to New Zealand, slowly giving up my Australian dreams....

    Hiatus >>>

  • plasticeyeplasticeye Singapore
    Posts: 158Member
    Joined: Jun 26, 2016

    @caspersushi24 said:
    Binabawasan ba talaga ng VETASSESS ng 1yr work experience sa kahit anong profession?

    sa akin oo, not sure kung all profession ganun. ang intindi ko is 1st year mo e learning year un so ang experience mo talaga start after 1 year.

    312111 (Architectural Draftperson)
    NSW 90pts (EOI updated 30 January 2020)
    Received Invite (04 March 2020)
    Visa lodge (07 April 2020)
    CO Contact (24 October 2022)
    Docs submitted (14 November 2022)
    Grant (22 December 2022)

  • Rej1019Rej1019 Posts: 36Member
    Joined: Aug 20, 2020

    @caspersushi24 said:
    Binabawasan ba talaga ng VETASSESS ng 1yr work experience sa kahit anong profession?

    For me po, Arch’l drafter, binawasan ng 1 year ung sa first year

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