Adding Secondary Applicants (Married/De-Facto/Engaged)

optic · January 2013

Maraming salamat po. Try namin kung lulusot din itong hawak na namin na letters.

lock_code2004 · January 2013

Maraming salamat po. Try namin kung lulusot din itong hawak na namin na letters.

one major difference.. we were in a country where de-facto relationship is illegal and fatal (lol)..
kaya hindi na namin pina-notarized.. baka pag nabasa ng lawyer eh ipahuli kmi..

i stated that in our statement...

meveavae · January 2013

@lock_code2004 hello po im new here & im planning to get a student visa. Nabasa ko po sa mga comments dito na halos puro live in partners lahat ng nag aapply for defacto, may alam po ba kau na plain mag Boyfriend pa lang pero may plans na to get engaged kaso 1 year pa lang relationship or less?? ganito po kasi case ko e, conservative type po kasi relationship namin so ang hirap magprovide ng proofs for this visa..wla pa din po kami joint account or billings na same address..sa pictures naman puro kaming 2 lng, never pa namin nksma sa pic un family namin...haaay balak pa naman po sna humabol sa July 2013 intake...Are there any other ways po ba para maapprove sya na dependent ko as defacto partner??

lock_code2004 · January 2013

@meveavae - i think it that is a very difficult case..
kasi kailangan ng statement ng other people na they know that you are in that relationship
and that the relationship is atleast 12 months..
and some other factors...

so kung wala nun.. mahirap talga yan..
if you are planning to bring him as a dependent, you should also know that will increase your financial proof na kaya nyong mabuhay sa AU.. so dodoble ang show money nyo..

but if you think you can have that financial proof, eh bkt di na lang muna magpakasal, kung kaya naman.. simpleng church wedding or civil wedding.

meveavae · January 2013

@lock_code2004 regarding po sa showmoney, sbi po sakin ng IDP hindi na daw po namin need magprovide...may pinafill up na lang na student declaration form (parang promissory note) un na may nklagay "i have access to sufficient funds to support myself and dependents".. i'm not sure nga po kung tama pagkakaintindi ko e pero twice ko naman kinonfirm sa agent..please correct me po if i'm wrong.

naisip ko na din po na magpakasal pra mas madali kaya lang dahil sa conservative po both our families nahihiya kami iopen up sa knila bka magulantang cla kaka 1 year pa lang ng relationship tapos kasal na agad2..hehe

if ever po na tama ung pagkaintindi ko na no need to provide proof of funds and magdecide kmi to get married and ma-grant kami ng visa, pwede po ba maghanap ng employer c spouse while im studying?plan po sana na kapag nakahanap na sya ng employer mag apply sya as skilled migrant..possible po ba un?

meveavae · January 2013

@lock_code2004 thank you so much po sa pag-entertain ng mga questions ko ha?salamt po talaga ng marami!

lock_code2004 · January 2013

@meveavae - if you are correct with the financial proof.. then there is no problem..

yes, pwde naman po un, allowed sya magwork as your dependent..

then either makahanap sya ng employer na mag sponsor sa kanya as PR..
or habang nagwowork sya dun, pwede din syang mag apply as independent skilled migrant..
kung nasa SOL/CSOL ang skill/s nya..

you are welcome.. goodluck!!

meveavae · January 2013

@lock_code2004 ano po yung SOL/ CSOL? pwede po ba sya magwork ng fulltime or same lang kami na 40hrs/fortnight? sa palagay nyo po may maiipon pa po kami if both kami magwork kahit part time lang?

lock_code2004 · January 2013

@meveavae

Work - the dependent will have the same work permit as the primary.. so kung 40hrs/forthnight (student visa), ganun din sa dependent.. But i think (im not 100% SURE) iba pag ang student is taking graduate courses (Master/Phd), pwede mag work ng fulltime ang dependent.

SOL/CSOL - eto po ang list ng occupations na in-demand sa AU.. kung nandito ang occupation nyo/nya, pwde kayo mag-apply as independent skilled migrant (SOL skilled occupation list), or nomincated/sponsored by an employer/state (from CSOL- consolidated sponsored occupation list)

I cannot comment regarding makaka-ipon or not, it will depend on your lifestyle/expenses..

meveavae · January 2013

@lock_code2004 ah chineck ko na po yung sinasabi na SOL/CSOL list...cguro po we'll get to that pag nanjan na kami under student visa hehehe..for now po confirm ko muna yung showmoney and then apply muna sa school..thanks so much po sa insights malaking tulong po sa mga newbies!! Godbless!;)

lock_code2004 · January 2013

@meveavae - goodluck..

peach17 · January 2013

Hi @lock_code2004, as part of the evidence na may functional english ako (secondary applicant), eto na yung mga documents na nascan ko po:

Diploma
English Translation of Diploma
Certificate of Graduation
Certificate of English as Medium of Instruction

Enough na po ba yan? Or need ko pa isama ang TOR ko?
4pages kasi yung TOR ko, and right now nasa 48 documents na ang maaattach namin when we lodge our visa application.

Ang worry ko lang po, di ba maximum of 60 attachments lang ang pwede po?
Baka mag exceed na kami.
E di ba meron pa pong mga medical exam forms and nbi forms?

thanks po ulit..

mags · January 2013

@lock_code2004 sensya na di ko alam kung related tong question ko. Yung wife and son ko ilalagay ko po sana sa dependent pero ang plano namin mauna muna ako tapos isunod ko na lang sila, possible po ba yun? or kailngan sabay talaga kami umalis? Another question, hindi po nakapag college ang misis ko ang option nya na lang po ba ay IELTS? Ang Certificate of English as Medium of Instruction ay pang college po b?

lock_code2004 · January 2013

@peach17 - you should merge ung mga document na isa lang ang classification
example:
1. kahit ilang page pa ang TOR, diploma, Cert of Graduation = 1 document as Educational Qualification..

2. Yung mga Cert of Employment from diff companies = 1 document.. pinagsunod sunod ko ang mga company based on my employment..

para hindi mahirap mag attach....
kailangan nyo po iattach ang TOR nyo.. 1 document lang po yan ( if you merge all pages)

Hindi po counted ang medical.. kasi hinid naman kayo ang magsusubmit nun.. automatic from clinic to diac po ang submission nun..

lock_code2004 · January 2013

@lock_code2004 sensya na di ko alam kung related tong question ko. Yung wife and son ko ilalagay ko po sana sa dependent pero ang plano namin mauna muna ako tapos isunod ko na lang sila, possible po ba yun? or kailngan sabay talaga kami umalis? Another question, hindi po nakapag college ang misis ko ang option nya na lang po ba ay IELTS? Ang Certificate of English as Medium of Instruction ay pang college po b?

1. tama po.. you should include your wife + kids as your dependent.. para isa lang ang bayad ng application fee...

2. after ma-approve ang visa nyo, kailangan nyo lang (ikaw,wife+kids) isatisfy ang Initial Entry Date deadline.. so pwedeing ikaw muna ang mauna... tapos sunod na lang sila.. pero make sure na ung pag sunod nila (initial entry) ay pasok pa rin sa Initial Entry Date deadline..

or pwede din naman.. mag initial entry kayo lahat... tapos aftre 1-2days.. uwi na ulit sa pinas..
ung initial entry is a requirement ng DIAC para ma-activate ang visa nyo sa AU immigration...

3. meron pong ibang option sa English requirements kung hindi nakapagtapos ng college ang wife.. basahin nyo ang start ng thread na ito..

lock_code2004 · January 2013

@mags - refer to the first few posts on this thread for more details..

in summary:
a) mag ielts is misis.. required score is 4.5 in each band.

b) cert of english - kung naka pag college or trade course sya ng atleast 2 years.. kahit hindi po graduate pwede yata basta naka 2 years na schooling after high school..

c) not applicable kasi pang graduate ng AU schools lang..

d) kung hindi po talga nag college.. eh eto po ang pwede.. cert of english from elementary and high school.. so both po dapat ay may proof of english cert..

mags · January 2013

@lock_code2004 ah ok po Sir medyo nalilinawan na ako. Mga ilang days or months po kaya ang Initial Entry Date deadline? Ang malaking worry ko po kasi sa application ay ang Proof of Funds kung included na sila sa application baka po mas malaki ang hanapin sa akin at wala po me maipakita. Tapos ung certificate of english po clear ko lang, sa school mismo kami kukuha tama po ba?

peach17 · January 2013

hi @mags, sabi ni @lock_code2004, ang initial entry date dealine ay 1 year from the date of medical completion or nbi clearance completion kung alin man po sa dalawa ang mas maaga mo matapos.

natutunan ko yan sa kanya. hehe

peach17 · January 2013

hi @lock_code2004,

regarding po sa pag attach ng documents,

ibig nyo po ba sabihin, after nyo iscan yung mga COE (say 3 COEs from 3 companies), pinagsama sama nyo po sya sa 1 Word File?

Then yung TOR, Diploma and Certificate of Graduation - nasa isang Word File lang din po?

lock_code2004 · January 2013

hi @lock_code2004,

regarding po sa pag attach ng documents,

ibig nyo po ba sabihin, after nyo iscan yung mga COE (say 3 COEs from 3 companies), pinagsama sama nyo po sya sa 1 Word File?

Then yung TOR, Diploma and Certificate of Graduation - nasa isang Word File lang din po?

a) kung merong pong "scan several pages" ang scanner nyo.. automatic na po yun na pag nagalagay kayo ng 10 pages na document... i-scan nya un tapos ung 10 pages magkakasama na sa 1 pdf document.. so pag-upload nyo eh 1 pdf doc lang..

b) kung hiwa-hiwalay naman po ang mga pdf docs nyo (example 1 page Diploma , 1 page cert of grad, 4 pages TOR)... meron pong mga "MERGE PDF" software or online sites (google nyo lang merge pdf)...i upload nyo ang mga documents nyo.. tapos magiging 1 PDF document with several pages..

in this way, hindi kayo mahirap mag upload ng maraming documents as long as same type of document sila...
- TOR/dIPLOMA/Cert of Grad
- Employement Documents either arranged per company or per document type
example: 1 Document (Per Company) = Company A COE, JD, Payslip, ITR
example: 1 Document (Document Type) = COE/JD Company A + COE/JD Company B, COE+JD Company C

Just make sure to check the size limit of each document vs size limit per doc ng DIAC..

lock_code2004 · January 2013

hi @mags, sabi ni @lock_code2004, ang initial entry date dealine ay 1 year from the date of medical completion or nbi clearance completion kung alin man po sa dalawa ang mas maaga mo matapos.

natutunan ko yan sa kanya. hehe

tama!!

lock_code2004 · January 2013

@lock_code2004 ah ok po Sir medyo nalilinawan na ako. Mga ilang days or months po kaya ang Initial Entry Date deadline? Ang malaking worry ko po kasi sa application ay ang Proof of Funds kung included na sila sa application baka po mas malaki ang hanapin sa akin at wala po me maipakita. Tapos ung certificate of english po clear ko lang, sa school mismo kami kukuha tama po ba?

so far, wala pa pong nakapagsabi dito as forum na hinigan sila ng proof of funds upon entry sa immigration..

if you are applying for SS, if you've read some of the post, nasa questionnaire ng SS application asking how much money will you bring or any thing related to how will you support your family upon entry...
but these are just questions for SS... pero un nga.. wala naman po hinihingan ng actual proof so far...

if you are not applying for SS.. then wala din pong proof of funds required..

peach17 · January 2013

thank you @lock_code2004

mags · January 2013

@lock_code2004 ah ok po Sir medyo nalilinawan na ako. Mga ilang days or months po kaya ang Initial Entry Date deadline? Ang malaking worry ko po kasi sa application ay ang Proof of Funds kung included na sila sa application baka po mas malaki ang hanapin sa akin at wala po me maipakita. Tapos ung certificate of english po clear ko lang, sa school mismo kami kukuha tama po ba?
so far, wala pa pong nakapagsabi dito as forum na hinigan sila ng proof of funds upon entry sa immigration..

if you are applying for SS, if you've read some of the post, nasa questionnaire ng SS application asking how much money will you bring or any thing related to how will you support your family upon entry...
but these are just questions for SS... pero un nga.. wala naman po hinihingan ng actual proof so far...

if you are not applying for SS.. then wala din pong proof of funds required..

Ah ok po, natuwa naman ako dun. About po sa Initial Entry date. Mga 1 month po ba yun aabutin?

lock_code2004 · January 2013

@lock_code2004 ah ok po Sir medyo nalilinawan na ako. Mga ilang days or months po kaya ang Initial Entry Date deadline?
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Ah ok po, natuwa naman ako dun. About po sa Initial Entry date. Mga 1 month po ba yun aabutin?

@mags - IED is approximately 1 year after your NBI and medical exam.. iikli ang IED mo kung matagal ka ng nakakuha ng NBI/Medical exam, tapos nadelay ang CO at visa grant mo..

example: Kmuha ka ng NBI/Med Exam: Jan 31 2013
Nagka CO/at visa grant ka Nov 31, 2013..

So ang IED mo pa rin is Jan 31 2014 ...
kaya ang advise is get your NBI/medical pag malapit ng magka CO or pag may CO na..

angel4ever · February 2013

Question po: If visa grant na po then wala pang initial entry, if I marry pwede pa ba isama sa visa yung partner ko then I have to submit "addition of family member" under change of circumstance?

OR

Separate application na po yung partner ko as I have read sa previous post? Is there a required number of years that I should stayed sa AU para "masponsor" sya or wala naman ganun na requirement?

*confused* I'm looking at the shortest possible time na makakasunod agad ung partner ko saken.

Thanks po sa help.

TasBurrfoot · February 2013

Question po: If visa grant na po then wala pang initial entry, if I marry pwede pa ba isama sa visa yung partner ko then I have to submit "addition of family member" under change of circumstance?

OR

Separate application na po yung partner ko as I have read sa previous post? Is there a required number of years that I should stayed sa AU para "masponsor" sya or wala naman ganun na requirement?

*confused* I'm looking at the shortest possible time na makakasunod agad ung partner ko saken.

Thanks po sa help.

I think it would already be a separate application - this explains why it was very important sana to include a partner before you submit your visa application (under de facto/engaged).

iammaxwell1989 · February 2013

Hi guys, question lang.

A friend of mine who is currently under visa 476 will apply for visa 190 or 189 soon. She wants to include her long time (5 years) partner in the application. Problem is, they have not lived together in the last year since she is in Sydney and her partner is in Manila.

Any advice on how to go about this? May chances kaya na maaprove ang de facto nila? Thanks a lot.

lock_code2004 · February 2013

Hi guys, question lang.

A friend of mine who is currently under visa 476 will apply for visa 190 or 189 soon. She wants to include her long time (5 years) partner in the application. Problem is, they have not lived together in the last year since she is in Sydney and her partner is in Manila.

Any advice on how to go about this? May chances kaya na maaprove ang de facto nila? Thanks a lot.

if they have lived together ...., pwde..
the 12-month relationship requirement is not measured on the last 12 months..

the same thing happened to me...
- we proved the relationship (12months)
- then i was assigned in the US, this should be in their statement bakit sila nagkalayo (work reasons)
- we proved that the relationship is on-going, by providing copies of emails, chats, phonecall history..

Fron DIAC's website....dapat kasama sa personal statement:

•any periods of separation, when and why the separation occurred, for how long and how you maintained your relationship during the period of separation

iammaxwell1989 · February 2013

@lock_code2004 Thanks a lot.

What if they mention in their declarations that they lived together in her parents' house when in fact they did not? In essence, pwede bang dayain yung period of living together in that way? Concerned sila sa risks of doing that.

Aside from this, wala silang joint assets, bank account, etc. Pero they have lots of pictures, history of communication, etc.