Singapore VS Australia VS Canada VS Pinas

vhoythoy · February 2013

Pinas will always be my home no matter what. Hindi mapapantayan ang mga memories ko since pagkabata, struggle and mga taong nakilala at nakasama ko sa Pinas. I love Pinas inspite of its cons and weaknesses.

I just want to move somewhere else to look and experience whats on the other side of the fence and test myself with the world's best talents. I am still young, looking for a journey. Because that's life is all about.

But when time comes, I will still go back and most probably retire on my beloved country Pinas. Theres no place like home.

alexamae · February 2013

Gusto ko mag migrate sa ibang bansa para sa soon to be family ko.
Gusto ko maayos yung lifestyle na kakalakihan nila.
Bibisita nalang kami sa Pinas para magbakasyon

Khorups · February 2013

Ako naman gusto kong pamanahan ng AUS citizenship ung anak ko para may advantage agad pag laki nya ng sa ganun eh lahat ng angkan na manggagaling sakin eh mataas ang chansa na uunlad ang buhay. Iniisip ko kasi kung yung mga ninunu ko eh kumamkam ng mga lupain sa Pinas eh di sana mayaman ang angkan namin, pero inde eh..kami siguro yung mga tipong aliping sagigilid hahaha at wala man lang niisa nakaisip mag migrate sa ibang bansa. Kaya "im taking one for the team" para secured and mga susunod na henerasyon na galing sakin.

LokiJr · February 2013

I will be frank about that 'let's start a business in the Philippines' dream...It's not easy...there's barely any incentive given out to entreps here...The tycoons and MVP's of the Philippines have too much control of our economy and we don't have the proper laws to protect upstarts (cha-cha anyone?)...Add to the problem the fact that we have a huge black / gray market in the metropolis (Divisoria, sari-sari store, China goods...). Plus our intellectual property laws are almost non-existent (thought of a hugely popular dessert? wait a few weeks for your neighbor to copy it) Good luck na lang haha

Check ninyo yung business ranking ng Pinas at ikumpara niyo yun sa Australia, Hong Kong, or Singapore...anlayo natin

TotoyOZresident · March 2013

in Australia

1. Hindi stressfull or hindi ganun ka stressfull mag trabaho. after 5 or 5:30pm puede ng umuwi (dipende sa state)
2. Palaging nasa isip ay weekend, long weekend at holiday
3. Mahal ang mga bilihin at bills pero nakakaraos din
4. The best is may time sa family.
5. Weather (dipende sa state)
6. May time mag part-time job
7. Marami puedeng pasyalan at gawin - camping is the best
8. Libre sa public hospital
9. Maganda ang sistema ng gobyerno
10. Maganda ang banking system
11. Flexible ang time sa trabaho
12. More benefit if you work in the government

alexamae · March 2013

@TotoyOZresident Gusto ko po itong ma experience..

Dito sa SG mag 5 years na kami.
Yung asawa ko stress sa work nya kasi overload ang mga tasks na binibigay sa kanya.
Pag uwi nya, gusto matulog or mag jog kasi nga stress sya.
Pag weekend wala masyado ibang location na pwede maghike or mag short vacation.
Maliit lang kasi so parang ang bilis ma bored pag napuntahan mo na lahat.
Sine lang and shopping ang usually nagagawa pag lalabas.
Mahirap magstart ng family sa mahal ng gagastusin at mahirap ang transpo pag may kids na.
D na nag aapprove ng PR so wala security.

Malaki din naman ang naitulong ng SG sa amin pero in the long run, maganda lang dito pag Single ka. Party life maganda dito! Shopping! Gadgets! Less tax sa sweldo.

Gusto na namin ng Laid back na lifestyle yung laro2x lang with kids.
Luto2x sa kitchen. Long drive and vacations na di kailangan mag eroplano.
I'm sure bigyan kami ng chance ni Lord na maexperience ang Australia

Sa pinas, pag uuwi gastos lang kasi nasanay ka na sa mga things na nagagawa or nakakain mo sa ibang bansa. Saka yung standard ng living mo iba na kasi na experience mo na yung maayos eh.

Sa Canada naman maganda din daw dun, andun kasi ang auntie ko. Eto sana first choice namin kasi may relative. Pero un nga lang, d talaga kami pwede mag apply dun kasi yung skill namin hindi shortage sa kanila. Either mag student visa or gumastos ng malaking halaga para sa arranged employment or mag caregiver hehe. Ayaw din naman namin ng ganun.

LokiJr · March 2013

in Australia

1. Hindi stressfull or hindi ganun ka stressfull mag trabaho. after 5 or 5:30pm puede ng umuwi (dipende sa state)
2. Palaging nasa isip ay weekend, long weekend at holiday
3. Mahal ang mga bilihin at bills pero nakakaraos din
4. The best is may time sa family.
5. Weather (dipende sa state)
6. May time mag part-time job
7. Marami puedeng pasyalan at gawin - camping is the best
8. Libre sa public hospital
9. Maganda ang sistema ng gobyerno
10. Maganda ang banking system
11. Flexible ang time sa trabaho
12. More benefit if you work in the government

Come to think of it...wala pa akong nababasang feedback na mga nasa Australia at nagrereklamo tungkol sa workload nila hehe

Metaform · March 2013

Nung first time kong tumapak palabas ng bansa back in 2007, na-miss ko kaagad ang Pinas. Sabi ko sa sarili ko, two years lang ako magtatrabaho abroad then babalik kaagad ako sa sariling bayan. Unfortunately, after some months, due to a serious family-related problem, kinailangan naming mag-leave at umuwi sa Pinas for two weeks. The same feeling was not there anymore. Paglabas pa lang ng NAIA terminal 1, walang maayos na taxi queue. Yung mga taxi na malapit sa exit ay sisingilin ka ng dolyares kapag naisakay na sa likod mga bagahe mo (ay p*tangina doon umusok ang tenga ko) at yung matitinong taxi ay milya-milya pa ang lalakarin hatak hatak mga bagahe mo bago ka makakuha (Bakit, Pinas, BAKIT?). Pagkatapos noon, iniinda ko na ang traffic, maruming kalsada, mga taong tawid nang tawid kung saan-saan - mga bagay na inakala ko ay normal dati.

Akala ko naging mainarte lang kami ni misis dahil naninibago lang, pero yung nanay ko na pinagbakasyon ko sa Dubai nang one month ay ganoon din ang naging pakiramdam pag-uwi sa Maynila. Ika nga nya kapag nakatikim ka na ng dugo, hindi mo na nanaisin ang bumalik.

In conclusion, unless isa kang haciendero sa probinsya na hindi na nangangailangang magtrabaho o lumabas nang bahay, you can settle down sa Pinas.

alexamae · March 2013

@Metaform tama!

TasBurrfoot · March 2013

Nung first time kong tumapak palabas ng bansa back in 2007, na-miss ko kaagad ang Pinas. Sabi ko sa sarili ko, two years lang ako magtatrabaho abroad then babalik kaagad ako sa sariling bayan. Unfortunately, after some months, due to a serious family-related problem, kinailangan naming mag-leave at umuwi sa Pinas for two weeks. The same feeling was not there anymore. Paglabas pa lang ng NAIA terminal 1, walang maayos na taxi queue. Yung mga taxi na malapit sa exit ay sisingilin ka ng dolyares kapag naisakay na sa likod mga bagahe mo (ay p*tangina doon umusok ang tenga ko) at yung matitinong taxi ay milya-milya pa ang lalakarin hatak hatak mga bagahe mo bago ka makakuha (Bakit, Pinas, BAKIT?). Pagkatapos noon, iniinda ko na ang traffic, maruming kalsada, mga taong tawid nang tawid kung saan-saan - mga bagay na inakala ko ay normal dati.

Akala ko naging mainarte lang kami ni misis dahil naninibago lang, pero yung nanay ko na pinagbakasyon ko sa Dubai nang one month ay ganoon din ang naging pakiramdam pag-uwi sa Maynila. Ika nga nya kapag nakatikim ka na ng dugo, hindi mo na nanaisin ang bumalik.

In conclusion, unless isa kang haciendero sa probinsya na hindi na nangangailangang magtrabaho o lumabas nang bahay, you can settle down sa Pinas.

Very well said...

I think those who have experienced living abroad can attest to this - yes, whilst it is true that life can be lonely abroad, at least the quality of living is way better...

More than 4 years ako sa Singapore nakatira kasama si misis - it was basically just us most of the time. Minsan may mga kaibigan, photowalk, kain, bbq. Sounds lonely? A bit but we are accustomed to it eventually.

Now, running 3 months in our self-imposed vacation with our family in Albay and Cagayan de Oro - to be honest, both of us are looking forward to moving on with our life na down under. There are a lot more things to complain about in our country when you have already tried to lived in another country.

Ayun I could rant on and on and on... But fact of the matter is, not counting the loneliness factor, life outside the Philippines is definitely better.

And yeah, I don't COMPLETELY AGREE on the slogan, it's more fun in the Philippines...

countess · March 2013

i dont want to spoil your dreams or good image of Au, but just a slice of reality, jobs here (esp Accounting roles -AR/AP/etc..) are being offshored to Philippines.. In the Philippines, you are not afraid to lose your job, because you know jobstreet always have something lined up for you. But current job market in Au is bleak.. manufacturing companies are cutting cost. But if you have enough savings to sustain you for the next 2 years, go take the risk. after 2 years, if you cant find a decent job, there's always Centrelink (i.e. Newstart allowance) to back you up. But meanwhile, if you are currently earning good (estimated AUD $3500 up) and have a job with a stable company, just my 2 cents worth, stay where you are.

Davidx23 · March 2013

Come to think of it...wala pa akong nababasang feedback na mga nasa Australia at nagrereklamo tungkol sa workload nila hehe

Not really, it depends kung saan industry ka. I worked in the big4. Lahat sila same toxic environment mapa-pinas, tokyo, canada or australia. It's probably the attitude/culture na na-inherit. So even if yung mga local grad staff dito eh bobo at tamad, your still inclined to do your best, quality output. In the big4, there's no work-life balance, there's only work-work balance - work until 2,4am work sa home, work sa weekends. And they don't give a shit about your sacrifices, if the firm is lossing revenue/clients, you can kiss your job goodbye.

On the positive side, kahit wala kang local experience, sabihin mu lang sa interviewer "big4 experience", no question, you're hired na, and you can take it to the bank!

TasBurrfoot · March 2013

Come to think of it...wala pa akong nababasang feedback na mga nasa Australia at nagrereklamo tungkol sa workload nila hehe
Not really, it depends kung saan industry ka. I worked in the big4. Lahat sila same toxic environment mapa-pinas, tokyo, canada or australia. It's probably the attitude/culture na na-inherit. So even if yung mga local grad staff dito eh bobo at tamad, your still inclined to do your best, quality output. In the big4, there's no work-life balance, there's only work-work balance - work until 2,4am work sa home, work sa weekends. And they don't give a shit about your sacrifices, if the firm is lossing revenue/clients, you can kiss your job goodbye.

On the positive side, kahit wala kang local experience, sabihin mu lang sa interviewer "big4 experience", no question, you're hired na, and you can take it to the bank!

Audit ka pala Sir?! Ahahaha...

My wife may pick a thing or 2 from your experience but to be honest she is tired na rin of Audit and/or Accounting - looking for a new life in Australia ika nga...

Khaosan_Road · March 2013

Nung first time kong tumapak palabas ng bansa back in 2007, na-miss ko kaagad ang Pinas. Sabi ko sa sarili ko, two years lang ako magtatrabaho abroad then babalik kaagad ako sa sariling bayan. Unfortunately, after some months, due to a serious family-related problem, kinailangan naming mag-leave at umuwi sa Pinas for two weeks. The same feeling was not there anymore. Paglabas pa lang ng NAIA terminal 1, walang maayos na taxi queue. Yung mga taxi na malapit sa exit ay sisingilin ka ng dolyares kapag naisakay na sa likod mga bagahe mo (ay p*tangina doon umusok ang tenga ko) at yung matitinong taxi ay milya-milya pa ang lalakarin hatak hatak mga bagahe mo bago ka makakuha (Bakit, Pinas, BAKIT?). Pagkatapos noon, iniinda ko na ang traffic, maruming kalsada, mga taong tawid nang tawid kung saan-saan - mga bagay na inakala ko ay normal dati.

Akala ko naging mainarte lang kami ni misis dahil naninibago lang, pero yung nanay ko na pinagbakasyon ko sa Dubai nang one month ay ganoon din ang naging pakiramdam pag-uwi sa Maynila. Ika nga nya kapag nakatikim ka na ng dugo, hindi mo na nanaisin ang bumalik.

In conclusion, unless isa kang haciendero sa probinsya na hindi na nangangailangang magtrabaho o lumabas nang bahay, you can settle down sa Pinas.

ditto! I haven't been back home for more than 4 yrs na... hindi ko namimiss ang Manila...

TasBurrfoot · March 2013

@Khaosan_Road - OT pero taga saan ka ba? I always thought Singapore ka...

Khaosan_Road · March 2013

@Khaosan_Road - OT pero taga saan ka ba? I always thought Singapore ka...

nasa Thailand ako ngaun dre hehe. I know malapit lang pro tuwing uuwi ako before laging sakit ng ulo lang,... kaya pamilya ko na lang pinapapunta ko kung nasaan ako

icebreaker1928 · March 2013

@Davidx23 ano yung big4?

Davidx23 · March 2013

@psychoboy
Life after the big4 is a bliss...

going back to topic
For me canada is good for retirement, maganda ang medical facilities at medicare system nila. Maganda ang environment and I like the snow pag weekends or vacation. I hate the snow when going to work, hirap gumising, maligo (well you can survive without kahit 3 days pa, or a week), and I hate the salt, it ruins your shoes. Cheaper ang cost of living. Mura ang property. Filipino food at filipino restaurants there tastes like home. Canadians are very respectful.

Aus is good for working and work-life balance (except big4). Mas malaki sweldo compare sa canada at mas maraming holidays. Beaches and eyecandy are very nice. Marami nga lang lasengo dito, teens pa lang, encourage na silang maging lasengo - 'schoolies'. Karamihan ng mga drivers dito walang respeto, for example, sa green signal for walking, mag-turn na agad mga drivers dito, sa canada kahit walang tumatawid hangang hindi full red, hindi sila mag-turn. Minsan sya na mali, sya pa maninigaw. Filipino restaurant here taste crap (brisbane and sydney).

Singapore is good for shopping, cheap and fantastic food and more shopping and more food.

Davidx23 · March 2013

ano yung big4?

Refers to the top 4 Accounting firms: PricewaterhouseCoopers, Ernst & Young, Delloite and KPMG.

loudandclear · March 2013

Interesting topic. I haven't been to other countries kaya i'm reading and also asking around about life in Australia and other countries as well. Between Oz & Canada, I choose Oz primarily because of the show money (about 500K pesos the last time i checked) being required by Canada in order to apply for a visa. Mas kaya ng budget ko yung Oz.

And when I stumbled upon this forum, nabuo ang decision ko to push tru with applying Oz visa.

My other reasons are:
1.) Mas malapit sa Pinas. In short mas mura pamasahe, mas possible na makakauwi ako madalas to see my family and also for vacation. According to a friend in Oz, they are allowed 6months to 1 yr maternity leave. Weehhh...sa Phils di pwede yun, baka pagbalik mo sa work, pinalitan ka na. Also, in my opinion, the Phils has the most beautiful natural tourist spots. Opinion ko lang kase I havent been to other countries. Pictures lang comparison ko.

Magaganda din beaches sa ibang countries pero sa Phils lang yata warm ang water so mas enjoy ang swimming. Sa iba parang more on sight seeing lang...hehehe... Tsaka mas mura magagastos pag sa Phils nag bakasyon. Pwede gawin once a month. Try Palawan, Boracay, Siargao, etc. Dami magagandang spots. Ang ganda ng Phils.
2.) Mas in-demand ang IT sa Oz?
3.) Weather
4.) Mas nagustuhan ko scenery and lifestyle sa OZ based sa mga nababasa ko.
5.) Mabagal ang visa processing sa Canada. Mahal na mabagal pa. Ewan ko lang ngayon kung nag improve na.
6.) Mas malaki sweldo sa OZ? I have a friend who recently got an employer sponsored job sa Canada. Liit sweldo. Walang 6 digits.

Till here na lang. Haba ng posts ko. heheh...

TotoyOZresident · March 2013

@TotoyOZresident Gusto ko po itong ma experience..

Dito sa SG mag 5 years na kami.
Yung asawa ko stress sa work nya kasi overload ang mga tasks na binibigay sa kanya.
Pag uwi nya, gusto matulog or mag jog kasi nga stress sya.
Pag weekend wala masyado ibang location na pwede maghike or mag short vacation.
Maliit lang kasi so parang ang bilis ma bored pag napuntahan mo na lahat.
Sine lang and shopping ang usually nagagawa pag lalabas.
Mahirap magstart ng family sa mahal ng gagastusin at mahirap ang transpo pag may kids na.
D na nag aapprove ng PR so wala security.

Malaki din naman ang naitulong ng SG sa amin pero in the long run, maganda lang dito pag Single ka. Party life maganda dito! Shopping! Gadgets! Less tax sa sweldo.

Gusto na namin ng Laid back na lifestyle yung laro2x lang with kids.
Luto2x sa kitchen. Long drive and vacations na di kailangan mag eroplano.
I'm sure bigyan kami ng chance ni Lord na maexperience ang Australia

Sa pinas, pag uuwi gastos lang kasi nasanay ka na sa mga things na nagagawa or nakakain mo sa ibang bansa. Saka yung standard ng living mo iba na kasi na experience mo na yung maayos eh.

Sa Canada naman maganda din daw dun, andun kasi ang auntie ko. Eto sana first choice namin kasi may relative. Pero un nga lang, d talaga kami pwede mag apply dun kasi yung skill namin hindi shortage sa kanila. Either mag student visa or gumastos ng malaking halaga para sa arranged employment or mag caregiver hehe. Ayaw din naman namin ng ganun.

Good move. Mag ipon ipon muna while waiting for your visa approval. Para may pangastos at pangbayad sa rent ng house habang naghahanap ng work.

Goodluck.

alexamae · March 2013

@TotoyOZresident Salamat

loudandclear · March 2013

@TotoyOZresident Gusto ko po itong ma experience..

Sa pinas, pag uuwi gastos lang kasi nasanay ka na sa mga things na nagagawa or nakakain mo sa ibang bansa. Saka yung standard ng living mo iba na kasi na experience mo na yung maayos eh.

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Ang pinapangarap( at ineexpect) ko if ever na settled na ako sa Oz, sa Phils ako magbabakasyon kasama buong family. Sa pHils ako gagastos kase malaki palit ng dollars. So mas madami ako magagwa sa pera ko at mas ok na ang standard of living ko sa Phils. Parang contrary yata ito, mali ba expectations ko.

vhoythoy · March 2013

Ako naman ayoko na din sa audit pero pinanganak na yata ako para magwork sa audit firm LOL. From mid-tier firms, to SGV to another mid tier firm in Singapore to another audit firm potentially sa Canada. From 8 years i went to 3 different departments (Risk management, advisory and External audit). Sa magiging work ko sa Canada pag natuloy at least 5 years ulit sa audit firm, but hopefully sana sa Financial planning group ako malipat soon. Kakapagod din kasi sa internal audit and advisory.

Mas madali nga makapasok ngaun sa Oz kesa sa Canada. At least sa Australia straightforward lang ang process and mabilis. Yung sa Canada nka pending pa yung FSW nila until May 2013 and pinaka problem ko talaga dun is yung proof of funds. Lahat kasi ng pera ko nsa binabayaran kong property.

Sa Singapore, kung pera pera lang ang labanan, mas malaki talaga maiipon dito. Pero temporary destination lang talga dito. Pang single lang talga unless dumating ka rito prior 2008 and nakapag citisenship application ka agad. Madami ding tukso dito sa Singapore

LokiJr · March 2013

Teka tinatally ko yung mga boto halos lahat naman boto sa Australia e hehe...

So paano yung mga pro-SG at pro-CA...hehe

Davidx23 · March 2013

@loudandclear
Re your cheaper flights, totoo yan pag off peak season pero expect skyrocket prices pag holidays. Automatic na yan kahit mag pre book ka 1 year ahead, lahat ng flights dito nananaga kasi very predictable ang behaviour ng mga aus pag holiday halos lahat ng tao nagtratravel, kaya dito sila kumikita. Tingnan mu na lang yung mga fine print ng naka sale na flights "not valid for travel on xdate to xdate ...". So, kung target mu is maka-save on cost, travel off-peak.

On beaches, boracay/palawan pales in comparison with Whitsunday. On warm water, try the beaches here during summer when the weather gets up to more than 40 degrees celsius.

loudandclear · March 2013

^compared with Canada, cheaper pa din ang OZ. one of the reasons why I like Oz. Good to hear that there are great beaches in Oz as well. Boracay is always voted on the top 10 list of best beaches in the world. I hope to see Whitsunday on the list too.

Davidx23 · March 2013

No its cheaper in canada. Around November (booked 1.5months left), we paid less than 1200cdn for cathay pacific round trip toronto to hong kong to travel on Jan.1 while we paid qantas more than 1200aud for sydney to manila for travel on Dec.26 (booked 8 months in advanced, if you booked 1.5 months left you'll be paying $2000+ that is if you're lucky kung meron pa). Considering the 12-14hour flight and meals every 2 hours of cathay, you get more bang for the buck. But there will be times na cheaper ang flights from darwin to manila, that is if you have the foresight or makaka impromptu vacation leave notice ka sa boss mu. Kahit aus products here like billabong, mas magandang bumila nito sa US or UK kasi mas mura dun, lol.

LittleBoyBlue · March 2013

Singapore is nice, safe, almost first world ang facilities. However, since foreigner ako dito (i.e. EP), disadvantage ako just to compete within the system. Ang anak ko has small chance of getting to good schools, medical nuknukan ng mahal, and there's no security as pag nag-retrench ang company, tapos ka, you have 1 month to leave Singapore unless makahanap ka ng work, so ang implication yung anak ko hihinto din ng school.