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VETASSESS question

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  • jenipet20jenipet20 Sydney
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    question po.. tapos n ako ng assessment nung januray pa s vetasses,, kaso change plan kami ni bf ko.. bali ako na magiging main applicant.. so kailngan ko mag-PTA... nagsubmit n ko ng documents nun.. bali 3 COE pinasa ko s 3 kong company kaso ang inassess lang nila ay yung recent work ko.. so dun s payment ba.. yung 2 na lang ang babayaran ko?
  • angelfixdangelfixd Sydney
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    edited August 2013
    Please stop flooding the forum.
    You post your question everywhere.
    Post it once and post it in the right thread.
    - edited by mod -
  • lock_code2004lock_code2004 Perth
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    question po.. tapos n ako ng assessment nung januray pa s vetasses,, kaso change plan kami ni bf ko.. bali ako na magiging main applicant.. so kailngan ko mag-PTA... nagsubmit n ko ng documents nun.. bali 3 COE pinasa ko s 3 kong company kaso ang inassess lang nila ay yung recent work ko.. so dun s payment ba.. yung 2 na lang ang babayaran ko?
    yes, but you need to inform them na ang ipapa-assess mo ay yung 2 old work exp mo..
    dahil ung current work exp mo ay na-assessed na kasama nung skills assessment mo..

    so make sure na clear sa kanila yun.. goodluck..

    Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
    Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
    May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
    June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
    Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
    Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
    July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
    Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
    Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company.. ;)

  • jenipet20jenipet20 Sydney
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    Thanks. Sasamahan ko ng letter yung form n isasubmit ko?
  • lock_code2004lock_code2004 Perth
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    Thanks. Sasamahan ko ng letter yung form n isasubmit ko?
    parang ganun na nga.. sabihin mo ang ipapa-assess mo lang is Company 2 and Company 3..

    question for you, totally iba ba ang job title mo sa 2 other companies mo?
    kasi i am thinking, kung pareho naman sa nominated occupation mo, baka pwede mo nang i claim na lang basta without having to pay for PTA...

    i mean, kung sure na sure ka lang na reletad/relevant nga sya sa nominated occupation mo..
    ;)

    Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
    Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
    May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
    June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
    Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
    Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
    July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
    Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
    Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company.. ;)

  • jenipet20jenipet20 Sydney
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    Nominated position ko is chemist. Bali yung 2 pang ipapaassess ko ay yung company 2 is laboratory analyst ako.. Same industry (lubricants manufacturing) siya dun s assessed n sakin.. Yung company 3 chemist din ako, s laboratory din pero more on environmental.

    Sa tingin mo need ko pang ipa-PTA? Or i can claim for 5 years without having pta?
  • jenipet20jenipet20 Sydney
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    Question uli.. Hnd b requirement na magPTA kung magaavail ka ng points?
  • bachekongbachekong Melbourne
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    PA HELP NAMAN... REQUIRED BANG 5 YEARS OF CONTINUOUS EDUCATION FROM HIGHSCHOOL? SA CASE KO KASI PAG GRADUATE KO NG HIGHSCHOOL NAG STOP AKO FOR TWO YEARS THEN TOOK UP 2 YEAR COURSE. AND NOW MINAMADALI NA AKO NG EMPLOYER KO NA I-MAIL NA YUNG MGA CERT. TRUE COPIES FOR VETASSESS. ENLIGHTEN ME PLEASE...

    April,2013- Personal Interview by Employer
    June 2013 - Job Offer
    June 2013 - Signed Employment Contract
    Chef (commercial cookery) 351311
    July,2013 - Self reviewing for IELTS
    July,2013 - Gathering documents for Vetassess
    August,2013 - IELTS passed
    September,2013 - Vettasess....BAGSAK!
    September,2013 - Employer...umatras!
    September,2013 - ako....depressed, gumuho ang mundo
    November,2013 - apply sa TPRC, bahala na, sayang IELTS eh
    Dec.2013 - May, 2014 - katakut takot na assessment ulit. PASSED
    October, 2014 - AY LAB YU Melbourne!

  • GoToWaOZGoToWaOZ Sydney
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    @bachekong
    Ito po ang required/hahanapin ng Vetasses na job description sa pag-assess. Nakalagay din po na kapag hindi meet ang required education level. So, if your have more than 3 years work experience, then it should be ok. I don't think it matters whether you took your 2 year course direct from highschool or may gap in between.


    UNIT GROUP 3513 CHEFS

    CHEFS plan and organise the preparation and cooking of food in dining and catering establishments.
    Cooks, Fast Food Cooks and Kitchenhands are excluded from this unit group. Cooks are included in Unit Group 3514 Cooks. Fast Food Cooks and Kitchenhands are included in Minor Group 851 Food Preparation Assistants.

    Indicative Skill Level:
    Most occupations in this unit group have a level of skill commensurate with the qualifications and experience outlined below.

    In Australia:

    AQF Associate Degree, Advanced Diploma or Diploma (ANZSCO Skill Level 2)

    In New Zealand:
    NZ Register Diploma (ANZSCO Skill Level 2)

    At least three years of relevant experience may substitute for the formal qualifications listed above. In some instances relevant experience and/or on-the-job training may be required in addition to the formal qualification.
    Tasks Include:

    planning menus, estimating food and labour costs, and ordering food supplies
    monitoring quality of dishes at all stages of preparation and presentation
    discussing food preparation issues with Managers, Dietitians and kitchen and waiting staff
    demonstrating techniques and advising on cooking procedures
    preparing and cooking food
    explaining and enforcing hygiene regulations
    may select and train staff
    may freeze and preserve foods

    Occupation:
    351311 Chef

    351311 CHEF

    Plans and organises the preparation and cooking of food in a dining or catering establishment.
    Skill Level: 2

    Specialisations:

    Chef de Partie
    Commis Chef
    Demi Chef
    Second Chef
    Sous Chef

    March 2012-IELTS results! | 31 January 2013-Skills assessment "Successful" , EOI submitted in Skillselect |14 March 2013- SS WA approved! |30 April 2013-Lodged Visa190 | 3 May 2013-Uploaded documents | 22 May 2013-CO allocated |2 July 2013 -Medicals done |12 July- Uploaded SG PCC | 28 Aug 2013 - VISA GRANT!

  • GoToWaOZGoToWaOZ Sydney
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    edited August 2013
    Question uli.. Hnd b requirement na magPTA kung magaavail ka ng points?
    Optional lang po ang PTA, however, if you claiming points beyond the number of years work experience assessed for your skills AND you are Not sure whether your previous work is closely related, then it is best to get a PTA. Mahirap po kasing mag over-claim... baka po masayang ang bayad sa visa...

    March 2012-IELTS results! | 31 January 2013-Skills assessment "Successful" , EOI submitted in Skillselect |14 March 2013- SS WA approved! |30 April 2013-Lodged Visa190 | 3 May 2013-Uploaded documents | 22 May 2013-CO allocated |2 July 2013 -Medicals done |12 July- Uploaded SG PCC | 28 Aug 2013 - VISA GRANT!

  • bentassassin30bentassassin30 Hart
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    I Just check my online application sa Vetassess and got Positive result ... waiting for IELTS result. Thank you LORD

    Occupation: Architectural Draftsperson (ANZCO 312111)

    Oct 02, 2014 Visa Grant (489)
    Dec 09, 2014 Landed in Australia
    Jan 09, 2015 First day of work
    Dec 11, 2016 Lodge Visa 887

  • rachelle_gan2rachelle_gan2 Sydney
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    @bentassassin30 Congrats po..

    nga pala nachecheck ba online ung vetassess result?

    Construction Project Manager 13311 (Hubby main applicant) 60 points, Visa 189
    17 Jul 13 : Positive skills assessment
    26 Jul 13 : Submitted EOI
    19 Aug 13 : Invitation to lodge visa 189 ( 60 points)
    23 Aug 13 : Lodge Visa
    30 Aug 13 : Medical ( Sata AMK), wife, 5 yrs old, 1 yr
    6 Sept 13 : Medical uploaded (No health examination required)
    30 Sept 13 : SG PCC application
    22 Oct 13 : SG PCC uploaded

    DIRECT GRANT: 30 Oct 2013 (GSM Brisbane T34)

    ---- Thank you God for this wonderful blessing ----

  • bentassassin30bentassassin30 Hart
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    @rachelle_gan2 oo... online application ako tapos submit thru mail yung ctc documents.

    Occupation: Architectural Draftsperson (ANZCO 312111)

    Oct 02, 2014 Visa Grant (489)
    Dec 09, 2014 Landed in Australia
    Jan 09, 2015 First day of work
    Dec 11, 2016 Lodge Visa 887

  • lock_code2004lock_code2004 Perth
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    Joined: Feb 23, 2012
    PA HELP NAMAN... REQUIRED BANG 5 YEARS OF CONTINUOUS EDUCATION FROM HIGHSCHOOL? SA CASE KO KASI PAG GRADUATE KO NG HIGHSCHOOL NAG STOP AKO FOR TWO YEARS THEN TOOK UP 2 YEAR COURSE. AND NOW MINAMADALI NA AKO NG EMPLOYER KO NA I-MAIL NA YUNG MGA CERT. TRUE COPIES FOR VETASSESS. ENLIGHTEN ME PLEASE...
    @bachekong, tama si @GotoWaOz.. depende yan sa occupation..
    since cook/chef nga ang occupation mo, pwde na ang certificat/diploma level na kinuha mo..

    on a personal note, i sent a private message to you..
    i have some questions if you dont mind..
    thanks..


    Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
    Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
    May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
    June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
    Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
    Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
    July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
    Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
    Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company.. ;)

  • henarehhenareh Melbourne
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    @rachelle_gan2 thanks sa info
  • henarehhenareh Melbourne
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    @rachelle_gan2 @GoToWaOZ @lock_code2004

    ask ko lang ung meaning ng highly relevant

    BSECE kasi me, nomitated ko is retail buyer
    pwede naba ako magpaassess kahit 2 yrs and 10 months palang work expereince ko?

    san po ba applicable ito?
    naopen ko kasi sya sa
    Pre- and post-qualification employment
    Groups C, D & F- three years of relevant employment in addition to at least one year of highly
    relevant employment at the required skill level in the last 5 years before applying.

    slamat po
  • GoToWaOZGoToWaOZ Sydney
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    edited August 2013
    @henareh- yung skill po ba is: 639211? If yes, kapag pasok po kayo sa description ng Tasks dito, highly relevant po yun.

    Yung sa BSECE nyo po, it may be assessed as "not related" to the skill nominated pero pwede po yung ma substitute ng 3 years of relevant experience (see underlined) pero its up to the assessing body pa din po to decide whether relevant/related... guidelines lang po ito.

    Sa case nyo po, medyo risky po. 2 factors po ang tinitigan kasi for assessment. yung related Qualification po (or substitute na 3 years relevant experience) PLUS your Experience na at least 1 year Highly relevant.

    I suggest you call Vetassess po to inquire first para di masayang ang pera pang assessment.


    UNIT GROUP 6392 RETAIL AND WOOL BUYERS


    RETAIL AND WOOL BUYERS select and buy goods for resale in retail establishments, and value and buy wool sold by wool growers.
    Indicative Skill Level:
    Most occupations in this unit group have a level of skill commensurate with the qualifications and experience outlined below.

    In Australia:

    AQF Certificate III including at least two years of on-the-job training, or AQF Certificate IV (ANZSCO Skill Level 3)

    In New Zealand:
    NZ Register Level 4 qualification (ANZSCO Skill Level 3)

    At least three years of relevant experience may substitute for the formal qualifications listed above. In some instances relevant experience and/or on-the-job training may be required in addition to the formal qualification.

    Tasks Include:
    monitoring sales data and stock levels, and studying trade, manufacturers' and market information to keep informed of changing market conditions
    negotiating purchase, promotion and supply arrangements with suppliers
    designing and implementing pricing, marketing, promotional and display strategies
    liaising with management on long-term planning and sales promotions
    establishing working plans according to seasonal and budgetary requirements
    anticipating consumer trends and determining quantity, style and quality of goods to be purchased
    inspecting, comparing, selecting and valuing wool by determining colour, yield, micron and length
    inspecting and buying wool at auction, in wool brokers' stores and in farm sheds
    receiving samples from scoured wool exchanges
    may visit freezing works to buy slipe wool
    Occupations:
    639211 Retail Buyer
    639212 Wool Buyer

    639211 RETAIL BUYER

    Selects and buys goods for resale in a retail establishment.
    Skill Level: 3

    Specialisation:

    Merchandise Planner

    639212 WOOL BUYER

    Values and buys wool sold by wool growers.
    Skill Level: 3

    March 2012-IELTS results! | 31 January 2013-Skills assessment "Successful" , EOI submitted in Skillselect |14 March 2013- SS WA approved! |30 April 2013-Lodged Visa190 | 3 May 2013-Uploaded documents | 22 May 2013-CO allocated |2 July 2013 -Medicals done |12 July- Uploaded SG PCC | 28 Aug 2013 - VISA GRANT!

  • GoToWaOZGoToWaOZ Sydney
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    @henareh -yung pre-qualification po is your expereince is before you were awarded your BS ECE at post-qualification po kapag experience is after your BS ECE was awarded

    March 2012-IELTS results! | 31 January 2013-Skills assessment "Successful" , EOI submitted in Skillselect |14 March 2013- SS WA approved! |30 April 2013-Lodged Visa190 | 3 May 2013-Uploaded documents | 22 May 2013-CO allocated |2 July 2013 -Medicals done |12 July- Uploaded SG PCC | 28 Aug 2013 - VISA GRANT!

  • henarehhenareh Melbourne
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    @GoToWaOZ

    ok po..working kasi ako as supply chain same as inventory controller.
    nacheck ko ung description sa anszco ok nmn..same sya.
    ang worry ko lang un ngang yrs of expereince kung necesary ba na 3 yrs.

    hindi din ako mag PTA , kasi partner skill lang ung purpose ko.

    my connect ba?
  • bachekongbachekong Melbourne
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    Joined: Jul 25, 2013
    @GoToWaOZ

    salamat kapatid. God bless you.

    @lock_code2004

    pm sent

    April,2013- Personal Interview by Employer
    June 2013 - Job Offer
    June 2013 - Signed Employment Contract
    Chef (commercial cookery) 351311
    July,2013 - Self reviewing for IELTS
    July,2013 - Gathering documents for Vetassess
    August,2013 - IELTS passed
    September,2013 - Vettasess....BAGSAK!
    September,2013 - Employer...umatras!
    September,2013 - ako....depressed, gumuho ang mundo
    November,2013 - apply sa TPRC, bahala na, sayang IELTS eh
    Dec.2013 - May, 2014 - katakut takot na assessment ulit. PASSED
    October, 2014 - AY LAB YU Melbourne!

  • GoToWaOZGoToWaOZ Sydney
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    Joined: Mar 05, 2013
    @henareh pls call vetassess muna po para makasigurado kasi they will consider both qualification and experience, kailangan ma meet yung 2 conditions for a positive assessment po, regardless kung main applicant ka or for claiming partner points po.

    March 2012-IELTS results! | 31 January 2013-Skills assessment "Successful" , EOI submitted in Skillselect |14 March 2013- SS WA approved! |30 April 2013-Lodged Visa190 | 3 May 2013-Uploaded documents | 22 May 2013-CO allocated |2 July 2013 -Medicals done |12 July- Uploaded SG PCC | 28 Aug 2013 - VISA GRANT!

  • GoToWaOZGoToWaOZ Sydney
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    Joined: Mar 05, 2013
    @bachekong you're welcome po. All the best po sa processing nyo :)

    March 2012-IELTS results! | 31 January 2013-Skills assessment "Successful" , EOI submitted in Skillselect |14 March 2013- SS WA approved! |30 April 2013-Lodged Visa190 | 3 May 2013-Uploaded documents | 22 May 2013-CO allocated |2 July 2013 -Medicals done |12 July- Uploaded SG PCC | 28 Aug 2013 - VISA GRANT!

  • GoToWaOZGoToWaOZ Sydney
    Posts: 255Member
    Joined: Mar 05, 2013
    @henareh... pls note itong nakalagay sa reply ni Boss @lock_code2004 on partner points.

    @boss lock_code2004... saan po makikita yung requirement on partner points?

    August 18 Reply Quote Posts: 3,716rtbuquia said:Can someone enlighten me on this lung aabot ako ng 60 points sa subclass 189Age: 33Course: BS in Computer Science, AMA Computer College, 2001Profession: Programmer since July 2001IELTS: (L-7.5 R-6.5 W-7 S-6.5 : OBS-7)Wife: BS in Computer Science, AMA Computer College, 2001Registered NurseThanksFor your:Age - 25ptsEduc - 10pts (based on history ng mga member dito, AMA BS CS is assessed as equivalent to AU diploma)Profession - 15 pts (if all are assessed as relevant)IELTs - 0 pts (each module should be 7 score to get 10pts)Total for you = 50pts

    For your wife:- if you are going to claim partner's points (5pts), dapat relevant ang work exp nya sa degree nya

    March 2012-IELTS results! | 31 January 2013-Skills assessment "Successful" , EOI submitted in Skillselect |14 March 2013- SS WA approved! |30 April 2013-Lodged Visa190 | 3 May 2013-Uploaded documents | 22 May 2013-CO allocated |2 July 2013 -Medicals done |12 July- Uploaded SG PCC | 28 Aug 2013 - VISA GRANT!

  • henarehhenareh Melbourne
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    Joined: Jul 28, 2012
    @GoToWaOZ ok po salamt
  • lock_code2004lock_code2004 Perth
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    tama si @GoToWaOZ....... @henareh - for partner's point (5pts), kailangan mong ipasa ang assessment.. that means you need to satisfy the educ and work exp requirement set by vetassess..

    so @henareh, if your saying na 3 yrs ang requirement ng vetassess for your occupation, then you need to have 3 yrs of relevant work experience to your nominated occupation..

    Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
    Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
    May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
    June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
    Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
    Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
    July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
    Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
    Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company.. ;)

  • GoToWaOZGoToWaOZ Sydney
    Posts: 255Member
    Joined: Mar 05, 2013
    @henareh wait lang natin confirmation ni boss @lock_code2004 kasi baka nman specific lang sa skill yun ng nagtanong

    March 2012-IELTS results! | 31 January 2013-Skills assessment "Successful" , EOI submitted in Skillselect |14 March 2013- SS WA approved! |30 April 2013-Lodged Visa190 | 3 May 2013-Uploaded documents | 22 May 2013-CO allocated |2 July 2013 -Medicals done |12 July- Uploaded SG PCC | 28 Aug 2013 - VISA GRANT!

  • lock_code2004lock_code2004 Perth
    Posts: 5,037Member, De-activated
    Joined: Feb 23, 2012
    @henareh wait lang natin confirmation ni boss @lock_code2004 kasi baka nman specific lang sa skill yun ng nagtanong
    nasagot ko na ba ang question? ;)

    Sep 24, 2011 - IELTS (L-8 R-8 W-8 S-7.5 : OBS-8)
    Jan 04, 2012 - EA application submitted | Feb 23, 2012 - EA assessment result (IE ANZSCO 233511)
    May 8, 2012 - Lodged GSM 175 online application | June 4, 2012 - CO Allocated
    June 22, 2012 - Medicals Finalized | Aug 30, 2012 - PCCs Completed (PH, UAE, USA)
    Sep 3, 2012 - Visa Granted (IED Jun 11, 2013) Thank You Lord!
    Oct 16-28, 2012 - Initial Entry Completed - Sydney
    July 28, 2013 - Final move to Perth
    Sep 9, 2013 - Started work with the same company i worked for in UAE/USA
    Oct 28, 2013 - Moved to another company.. ;)

  • henarehhenareh Melbourne
    Posts: 47Member
    Joined: Jul 28, 2012
    @lock_code2004 aba syempre namn po ..lahat ng tanung ko nasasagot nyo :)
    maraming salamat
  • GoToWaOZGoToWaOZ Sydney
    Posts: 255Member
    Joined: Mar 05, 2013
    @lock_code2004 yes po, Thanks po boss @lock_code, sorry delayed yung isang msg ko, hehe.

    Actually yung requirement po ni @henareh sa work exp is only 1year pero yung qualification po nya is BSECE which May NOT be related kaya kailangan nya ng 3yrs to cover, just in case. Kaya lang Vetasses pa din po ang makakapag confirm nito. medyo risky kaya i suggested itanong muna nya sa vetassess para di sayang bayad...

    March 2012-IELTS results! | 31 January 2013-Skills assessment "Successful" , EOI submitted in Skillselect |14 March 2013- SS WA approved! |30 April 2013-Lodged Visa190 | 3 May 2013-Uploaded documents | 22 May 2013-CO allocated |2 July 2013 -Medicals done |12 July- Uploaded SG PCC | 28 Aug 2013 - VISA GRANT!

  • henarehhenareh Melbourne
    Posts: 47Member
    Joined: Jul 28, 2012
    @GoToWaOZ ok po .thank you

    wait ko nalang siguro until oct
    kasi 3 yrs na ako sa work.

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