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  • kaidenMVHkaidenMVH Sydney
    Posts: 916Member
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    @jam14 if i remember correctly sa license ko nilagay. i only uploaded the certificate and test results. di ko na upload ID kasi matagal ng nawala. and i think more on education and work experience pagbabatayan ni Vetasses sa pag assess sa case mo. FYI, more than 10 years naexpired license ko hehe.
    yhsoque

    312111 Architectural Draftsperson 80pts 190 NSW
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  • jam14jam14 Singapore
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    Joined: Aug 11, 2017
    @kaidenMVH salamat sir. Submitted na din sir! Goodluck satin lahat
  • magueromaguero Adelaide
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    @ricabanana Yung date deemed skilled mo is October 2009. Hindi pa naman 10 years ngayon.
  • ga2auga2au NSW
    Posts: 1,204Member, Moderator
    Joined: Aug 28, 2018
    Hi Guys, Narecieved ko na yung assessment ko and its Negative. Im a 3d Visualiser for an Interior Design firm. pero na negative ako as Interior Designer. Ngayon hindi ko alam kung anung occupation yung ipapareassess ko. hindi naman pwede sa Architectural Draftsperson kasi more on Interior yung mga 3ni 3d ko.. Please help.

    232412- Illustrator | Total: 65

    2018 Oct- Lodged VETASSESS application
    2018 Dec- PTE Test
    2018 Dec- Proficient
    2019 Mar- VETASSESS Positive Outcome
    2019 Jun- Created EOI for NSW
    2019 Jun- Applied SA 489
    2019 Aug- Invitation to apply from SA 489
    2019 Aug- Lodge Visa Application SA 489
    2019 Sep 09- Medical
    2019 Sep 11- Medical deferred
    2019 Oct 19- Start TB treatment
    2019 Oct 21- Pre-invite from NSW 190
    2019 Oct 26- Invitation to apply from NSW Visa 190
    2019 Oct 24- Pre-invite from ACT 190 ( Didn't pursue it because lack of job opportunities)
    2019 Nov 10- Lodge NSW Visa 190
    2020 Jan - Withdrawn Visa 489
    2020 Apr 16- Finished TB treatment ( yey! )
    2020 Jun 08-Sputum results negative
    2020 Jun 12-Panel physician sent emedical ( Awaiting for clearance )
    2020 Jun 23 -Medical Health cleared ( Sa wakas Praise God! )
    2020 Jun 23 -Frontload Form 815_Health undertaking
    2022 Aug 22 - CO Contacted me for new Medicals, PCC and Form 80
    2022 Sept 7 - Uploaded requested documents.
    2022 Nov 25- Golden Grant!

  • pausatiopausatio Sydney
    Posts: 322Member
    Joined: Jan 26, 2015
    Hay ako din. Negative result ng assessment ko. Pharamacy technician pero more on pharmacist daw yung job description. Ang mali ko, dpat sinunod ko yung job description n guide ng vetassess.. Pero try ko ipa review. Tatawag muna s vetassess siguro.

    @ga2au Ayon s nabasa ko, mainam n tumawag s vetassess at humingi ng opinion kung anu pede gawin. Mabait nmn daw sila. Baka may issugest din sila n different field. Goodluck sa atin.

    ANZSCO 312211

    Aug 12, 2015 VETASSESS Online Application (810Aud)
    Oct 28, 2015 Positive Result from VETASSESS
    Nov 22, 2015 IELTS band 6 -
    Nov 24, 2015 Submitted EOI -Visa 190 - 55pts (+5 ss NSW)
    Dec 3, 2015 Received ITA
    Dec 5, 2015 Submitted for NSW State Nomination (300Aud)
    Jan 19, 2016 Approved SS + Received ITA for visa190
    Jan 31, 2016 Medical exam
    Feb 6, 2016 Medical cleared
    Feb 8, 2016 (AEST) lodged Visa 190 (6368Aud)
    submitted all documents with wife,child
    https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/190-/Skilled-Nominated-visa-(subclass-190)-document-checklist
    Feb 19, 2016 submitted form80
    Feb 29, 2016 DIRECT GRANT VISA

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  • RheaMARN1171933RheaMARN1171933 Posts: 2,760Member, Administrator, Moderator
    Joined: Mar 10, 2016
    edited November 2018
    @pausatio usually they suggest an alternative occupation on the outcome letter and you’ll be given a deadline to change the occupation free of charge.

    It’s very important the tasks mentioned on your evidences are aligned to the ANZSCO definition of the occupation you’re applying for.
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  • pausatiopausatio Sydney
    Posts: 322Member
    Joined: Jan 26, 2015
    @RheaMARN1171933 meron pero ibang assessing body. Ito lng s vetassess. Yun nga ako nagkamali, masyado broad ang work ko at sna sinabi ko s boss ko n magfocus s inaapplayan kong job description. Anyway, i will try to see if there is a way pa. May 90 days to request for review nmn. Peeo with pay p rin. Thanks

    ANZSCO 312211

    Aug 12, 2015 VETASSESS Online Application (810Aud)
    Oct 28, 2015 Positive Result from VETASSESS
    Nov 22, 2015 IELTS band 6 -
    Nov 24, 2015 Submitted EOI -Visa 190 - 55pts (+5 ss NSW)
    Dec 3, 2015 Received ITA
    Dec 5, 2015 Submitted for NSW State Nomination (300Aud)
    Jan 19, 2016 Approved SS + Received ITA for visa190
    Jan 31, 2016 Medical exam
    Feb 6, 2016 Medical cleared
    Feb 8, 2016 (AEST) lodged Visa 190 (6368Aud)
    submitted all documents with wife,child
    https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/190-/Skilled-Nominated-visa-(subclass-190)-document-checklist
    Feb 19, 2016 submitted form80
    Feb 29, 2016 DIRECT GRANT VISA

    "Ask the Lord, to bless your plans, and you will be successful in carrying them out." Proverbs 16:3

  • RheaMARN1171933RheaMARN1171933 Posts: 2,760Member, Administrator, Moderator
    Joined: Mar 10, 2016
    edited November 2018
    @pausatio unfortunately, this is the common pitfall of clients who come to me to fix the situation. Skills assessment is the make or break. You need to do this right, ideally the first time to avoid unnecessary expenses. The whole process is not cheap as it is.

    Don’t rely on your employer in ensuring that the details on the reference letter complies to the requirements for your skills assessment. You need to take control of it from the beginning. Just a tip. Good luck on your next step.
  • ga2auga2au NSW
    Posts: 1,204Member, Moderator
    Joined: Aug 28, 2018
    Hello Guys, Update... Yung na negative kong assessment sa Interior design, pinare- assess ko sa Graphic Designer.. Unfortunately, it came out negative again. Good thing is, minention na ng VETASSESS kung anu ang suitable occupation ko, that is 232412 Illustrator. Sana lang sinabi nila ito nung unang time na na-negative ako. heheh para di nasayang yung $600 ko sa re-assessment. Still feeling positive, I will now apply for a new assessment na for Illustrator. Hopefully this time mapositive na. Never say never! The reason I'm sharing this is kung may kaparehas akong 3d Visualiser dito na hindi alam kung anung occupation. better na sa Illustrator kayo magpasa. Goodluck!

    232412- Illustrator | Total: 65

    2018 Oct- Lodged VETASSESS application
    2018 Dec- PTE Test
    2018 Dec- Proficient
    2019 Mar- VETASSESS Positive Outcome
    2019 Jun- Created EOI for NSW
    2019 Jun- Applied SA 489
    2019 Aug- Invitation to apply from SA 489
    2019 Aug- Lodge Visa Application SA 489
    2019 Sep 09- Medical
    2019 Sep 11- Medical deferred
    2019 Oct 19- Start TB treatment
    2019 Oct 21- Pre-invite from NSW 190
    2019 Oct 26- Invitation to apply from NSW Visa 190
    2019 Oct 24- Pre-invite from ACT 190 ( Didn't pursue it because lack of job opportunities)
    2019 Nov 10- Lodge NSW Visa 190
    2020 Jan - Withdrawn Visa 489
    2020 Apr 16- Finished TB treatment ( yey! )
    2020 Jun 08-Sputum results negative
    2020 Jun 12-Panel physician sent emedical ( Awaiting for clearance )
    2020 Jun 23 -Medical Health cleared ( Sa wakas Praise God! )
    2020 Jun 23 -Frontload Form 815_Health undertaking
    2022 Aug 22 - CO Contacted me for new Medicals, PCC and Form 80
    2022 Sept 7 - Uploaded requested documents.
    2022 Nov 25- Golden Grant!

  • King TimKing Tim Dubai
    Posts: 56Member
    Joined: Sep 12, 2016
    good day po...kumpleto na ko ng COE and payslips sa mga previous companies ko...ang problema ko ngaun, may isa akong company na nagbigay ng COE pero hindi nag iissue ng payslip..chineck ko na Phil Health ko (which is the only thing na binabawas nila sa kin that time), kaso hindi nakalagay ang Employer name ko..tapos sinubukan ko humingi ng bank statement, pero hindi na nagbibigay ung bank since more than 10 years ago na (ang hinihingi ko kasi is at least year 2006)...what shal I do??? sayang din kasi, 4.9 years ako in that company....pwede po ba magpagawa na lang ako stat dec for the payment evidence as alternative?
  • BjaneBjane qatar
    Posts: 132Member
    Joined: Aug 07, 2018
    @King Tim ganyan din po nangyari samin kya s 1st skills assessment namin nanegative kami kz ung 1st company ayaw magbigay ng service statement, bank statement at payslip ang ginwa nmin nagstat dec kami kaso ung TRA ayaw pla tanggapin ang stat decl. So ung 2nd assessment d n nmin nilagay
  • RheaMARN1171933RheaMARN1171933 Posts: 2,760Member, Administrator, Moderator
    Joined: Mar 10, 2016
    @King Tim both the skills assessing authority and immigration will only recognise the last 10 years of employment so no point providing docs beyond this timeline.
  • sicntyrdsicntyrd PH
    Posts: 103Member
    Joined: Nov 28, 2018
    @King Tim Ang hinihingi lang ng VETASSESS is work exp from the past 10 years. Any work experience beyond that will be assessed as "not relevant" sa occupation mo. Unless, you meant 2006 + 4.9 yrs, then you may be credited for a few of those years.

    Anyway to answer your question:

    In lieu of payslips these can be accepted as well by VETASSESS:
    - Taxation Records of Assessment (bearing company and applicant name)
    - Bank Statements showing at least two salary payments, your name and the employer's name;
    - Employment-linked insurance / superannuation records (bearing company and applicant name).

    If you're also unable to provide the above alternatives, sana yung CoE na nakuha mo sa previous Employer mo is written following the format of the Statement of Service sample ng VETASSESS. I think that would be a big plus kasi nakaindicate don yung salary mo. I believe di ka magkakaproblema sa stat declaration on your salary/pay kasi indicated din siya sa CoE mo.
  • King TimKing Tim Dubai
    Posts: 56Member
    Joined: Sep 12, 2016
    @Bjane @RheaMARN1171933 @sicntyrd thank you for the reply....

    Isasama ko kasi sana ung work exp ko from 2003-2006..un din ung ayaw magbigay ng pay slip...pero since nabanggit nyo na hindi na pala kailangan, might as well hindi ko na lang isama...my question now is...ang ipapa assess ko is ung work exp ko from 2007-2018, within these years may 3 years akong hindi nag work..nag calculate ako, inabot ng 8.17 years work exp..considered as 8 years na ba ito? totoo ba na babawasan pa ng Vetaassess ng 1 year ang work exp ko, kaya magiging 7 years na lang ako? please advise...
  • sicntyrdsicntyrd PH
    Posts: 103Member
    Joined: Nov 28, 2018
    @King Tim

    Nagbabawas talaga sila ng minimum 1 year or some cases even more. May requirement kasi silang minimum 1 year post-qualification work experience. Pero di naman necessarily kung ano naka-indicate sa assessment yun lang ma-cclaim mo for work experience. Parang "retroactive" yan e. For example I received my assessment, ang nakasulat 7.7 years, then after 4 months I submitted an EOI---I can claim 8.1 years. This is particularly more convenient kung nagttrabaho ka pa din sa same company na dineclare mo during assessment.
  • RheaMARN1171933RheaMARN1171933 Posts: 2,760Member, Administrator, Moderator
    Joined: Mar 10, 2016
    @King Tim note that they will consider 10 years from the date you’ve submitted your application. So you if you’ll your application in January, they will consider from January 2009.
  • King TimKing Tim Dubai
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  • cjgrcjgr philippines
    Posts: 36Member
    Joined: Jan 23, 2018
    Hi sir @Hendro! Hihinga lang po sana nag advice. I'm planning to have my skills assessed as chemistry technician, ano po ba yung mga examples ng mga tasks/duties na pinalagay niyo sa COE niyo? thanks po.
  • HendroHendro SG
    Posts: 472Member
    Joined: Mar 31, 2018
    Hi @cjgr, I just tailored fit my job description sa anzsco code ng chemistry technician. I made sure na atleast 80 percent of the description is almost the same.. U can. Drop me private message thanks

    ANZSCO 311411 | Age :30, Education: 15, Experience: 10, PTE: 10|

    04.04.2018 | Lodged Vetassess Assessment
    05.31.2018 | Vetassess Result : POSITIVE
    06.18.2018 | PTE Mock Test A |LRSW|65/69/79/68|
    06.23.2018 | PTE Mock Test B |LRSW|74/65/84/76|
    06.28.2018 | PTE-A |LRSW|74/73/90/74|
    07.06.2018 | Submitted 190 EOI 65+5=70 pts SA|
    07.08.2018 | Lodged SA State Nomination Application
    10.03.2018 | 190 Invitation Received.
    10.12.2018 | Singapore COC issued
    11.06.2018 | NBI Clearance Issued
    11.17.2018 | Medicals (Point Medical Paragon)
    11.23.2018 | Health Clearance Provided - No Actions Required
    11.23.2018 | Visa Lodgement
    03.04.2019 | Direct Grant! Thank you LORD!
    04.18.2019 | IED | Adelaide
    03.18.2021 | BM | Adelaide

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  • kurztiekurztie Dubai
    Posts: 2Member
    Joined: Jan 07, 2017
    Hi po, newbie here in this forum. Just have some questions regarding Vetassess.
    Paki check naman po if ok na po yung experience and requirements for online application.

    Company A: 1 yr and 3 months (Philippines)
    COE
    No Payslip (but stated in the COE the monthly salary)

    Company B: 4 yrs and 4 months (Philippines)
    COE
    Payslip

    Company C: 1 yr 2 months (UAE)
    No COE
    Payslip

    Company D: 1 yr to present (UAE)
    COE
    Payslip

    Question lang din po, kasi nursing yung graduate course ko but yung work ko from the start is related na to admin/secretarial area so I am planning to have the Company Secretary (ANZSCO 221211 code). Hindi po ba siya maka affect sa assessment? And regarding sa Company C, hindi kasi ako makakuha nang COE kasi ayaw ako bigyan nang manager but I have the payslip with me since nagstart ako. I hope someone can help me with this since I am planning to migrate Australia after my contract ends. Thank you so much and God Bless po.
  • ga2auga2au NSW
    Posts: 1,204Member, Moderator
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    hi @kurztie , ill try to answer your questions based on my experience.

    "Company A: 1 yr and 3 months (Philippines)
    COE
    No Payslip (but stated in the COE the monthly salary) in lieu of payslip you need to send sss contribution, or tax records for this. any document na makakapagpatunay ng employment mo is fine.

    Company B: 4 yrs and 4 months (Philippines)
    COE
    Payslip

    Company C: 1 yr 2 months (UAE)
    No COE -if no COE,you can make a Stat Dec stating all the informations in the CoE and also the reason why you couldn't obtain the Coe from your company , but it should be signed by your HR or Manager, in my experience di ko na siya sinama kasi hassle. heheh
    Payslip

    Company D: 1 yr to present (UAE)
    COE
    Payslip


    "Question lang din po, kasi nursing yung graduate course ko but yung work ko from the start is related na to admin/secretarial area so I am planning to have the Company Secretary (ANZSCO 221211 code). Hindi po ba siya maka affect sa assessment?"
    - Im not really sure about the nursing degree, but some of us like me have occupation assessed which is different from my degree. For example, I graduated as an architect but my occupation is Illustrator. though some agent says, pag ganito ng scenario, the VETASSESS will deduct 3 years from your total work experience. Meaning kung may 10 years ka as Company secretary, iho honor lang nila is 7 years. Thats what I know. BUT, im not really sure how this works in Nursing graduates. kasi alam ko iba ang assessor niyo. (not sure) hope this helps.

    232412- Illustrator | Total: 65

    2018 Oct- Lodged VETASSESS application
    2018 Dec- PTE Test
    2018 Dec- Proficient
    2019 Mar- VETASSESS Positive Outcome
    2019 Jun- Created EOI for NSW
    2019 Jun- Applied SA 489
    2019 Aug- Invitation to apply from SA 489
    2019 Aug- Lodge Visa Application SA 489
    2019 Sep 09- Medical
    2019 Sep 11- Medical deferred
    2019 Oct 19- Start TB treatment
    2019 Oct 21- Pre-invite from NSW 190
    2019 Oct 26- Invitation to apply from NSW Visa 190
    2019 Oct 24- Pre-invite from ACT 190 ( Didn't pursue it because lack of job opportunities)
    2019 Nov 10- Lodge NSW Visa 190
    2020 Jan - Withdrawn Visa 489
    2020 Apr 16- Finished TB treatment ( yey! )
    2020 Jun 08-Sputum results negative
    2020 Jun 12-Panel physician sent emedical ( Awaiting for clearance )
    2020 Jun 23 -Medical Health cleared ( Sa wakas Praise God! )
    2020 Jun 23 -Frontload Form 815_Health undertaking
    2022 Aug 22 - CO Contacted me for new Medicals, PCC and Form 80
    2022 Sept 7 - Uploaded requested documents.
    2022 Nov 25- Golden Grant!

  • kurztiekurztie Dubai
    Posts: 2Member
    Joined: Jan 07, 2017
    Hi @ga2au thank you so much for your response. I will take note on that. I am still confuse sa graduate course ko baka kasi negative feedback from Vetassess sayang din yung fee for assessment. Regarding naman dun sa company C ko balak ko nalang talaga siyang hindi include kasi napakahirap pakiusapan nang manager dun. wala din kaming HR sa company C so lahat nang request and queries regarding employment is directly contact to the manager. Thank you so much.
  • ga2auga2au NSW
    Posts: 1,204Member, Moderator
    Joined: Aug 28, 2018
    kurztie said:

    Hi @ga2au thank you so much for your response. I will take note on that. I am still confuse sa graduate course ko baka kasi negative feedback from Vetassess sayang din yung fee for assessment. Regarding naman dun sa company C ko balak ko nalang talaga siyang hindi include kasi napakahirap pakiusapan nang manager dun. wala din kaming HR sa company C so lahat nang request and queries regarding employment is directly contact to the manager. Thank you so much.

    oo. hahha ang gastos sa VET. naka 3 nakong pasa.. hopefully this 3rd e ibigay na nila. hahha

    232412- Illustrator | Total: 65

    2018 Oct- Lodged VETASSESS application
    2018 Dec- PTE Test
    2018 Dec- Proficient
    2019 Mar- VETASSESS Positive Outcome
    2019 Jun- Created EOI for NSW
    2019 Jun- Applied SA 489
    2019 Aug- Invitation to apply from SA 489
    2019 Aug- Lodge Visa Application SA 489
    2019 Sep 09- Medical
    2019 Sep 11- Medical deferred
    2019 Oct 19- Start TB treatment
    2019 Oct 21- Pre-invite from NSW 190
    2019 Oct 26- Invitation to apply from NSW Visa 190
    2019 Oct 24- Pre-invite from ACT 190 ( Didn't pursue it because lack of job opportunities)
    2019 Nov 10- Lodge NSW Visa 190
    2020 Jan - Withdrawn Visa 489
    2020 Apr 16- Finished TB treatment ( yey! )
    2020 Jun 08-Sputum results negative
    2020 Jun 12-Panel physician sent emedical ( Awaiting for clearance )
    2020 Jun 23 -Medical Health cleared ( Sa wakas Praise God! )
    2020 Jun 23 -Frontload Form 815_Health undertaking
    2022 Aug 22 - CO Contacted me for new Medicals, PCC and Form 80
    2022 Sept 7 - Uploaded requested documents.
    2022 Nov 25- Golden Grant!

  • cjgrcjgr philippines
    Posts: 36Member
    Joined: Jan 23, 2018
    @Hendro thank you sir!
  • mayomaisemayomaise Malaysia
    Posts: 2Member
    Joined: Jan 09, 2019
    edited January 2019
    Good day po! Newbie on this forum. Would like to ask lang po what are the requirements for assessment with Vetassess?

    I am a BS Math (pure math) graduate and have 10 years of working experience in the IT field.

    Currently I only have 2 COE without salary details from my previous employers, 2 COE with, and my college Diploma and TOR. Will these suffice?

    Planning to apply skilled migration assessment without any agent sana for 261313 - Software Engineer. Thank you very much po in advance.
  • RheaMARN1171933RheaMARN1171933 Posts: 2,760Member, Administrator, Moderator
    Joined: Mar 10, 2016
    edited January 2019
    @mayomaise you definitely need to do further reading and research if you want a DIY application. To begin with, VETASSESS isn’t the right assessing authority if your occupation is Software Engineer. It would be ACS. You can also utilise google for your research as it would be such a handful of info for someone to provide the answer to your query in this forum.
  • mayomaisemayomaise Malaysia
    Posts: 2Member
    Joined: Jan 09, 2019
    @RheaMARN1171933 Thank you! Thought some might have the same situation because my degree is not related with my work experience. I believe work experience will go through ACS. But the degree/education assessment? I am also doing research on it.
  • sicntyrdsicntyrd PH
    Posts: 103Member
    Joined: Nov 28, 2018
    @mayomaise I think it would be best to look for that info in the ACS thread. Most likely may kapareho ka ng case don.
  • RheaMARN1171933RheaMARN1171933 Posts: 2,760Member, Administrator, Moderator
    Joined: Mar 10, 2016
    @mayomaise VETASSESS is of no use to your situation. I agree with @sicntyrd, you would be better off in the ACS thread. All the best.
  • ricabananaricabanana Posts: 16Member
    Joined: Feb 21, 2018
    @RheaMARN1171933 have you experience sending Credit Card Authorization Form to VEtassess as payment before? Is it safe? I'll request VETASSESS to assess my new employment (not included in my previous application). Payment options are Online, By Mail (CC Authorization, Check or Australia Post Money Order) and Personal.

    Per instruction I need to submit SRG35 form and payment through email (not online). I preferred online payment but I don't know how since the submission will be through email.

    Thanks in advance for your response.
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