Adding Secondary Applicants (Married/De-Facto/Engaged)

eujin

salamat again sa quick response @rich88.. gusto ko sana kasi ievaluate kung sino sameng mag-asawa ang makakakuha ng higher points then siya ang magiging principal.. my wife is more likely to get the higher points, kaso ayaw nyang maging principal at ako, partner. kasi naprepressure siya na its mandatory na magwork ng principal, whereas partner hindi naman need..

anyway, its good to know na mabibigyan din ng same status na PR ang partner whether you get points from them or not.

rich88

@eujin Saan mo nabasa na yung main applicant dapat mag work tapos partner hindi need? Kahit sino naman pwede mag work kung may offer eh. Wala naman visa condition na dapat magka work agad yung main applicant.

eujin

haha.. i don't really know where she got that info.. noted @rich88 .. salamat

rich88

@eujin lol.. kinabahan ako hehe. napabasa ulit tuloy ako sa google.

anyway, ang added pressure lang naman sa main applicant is dapat maka band 7 sa IELTS to get 10 pts compared sa partner na kahit 6 lang pwede na.

MayoMay

salamat @rich88 medyo napaisip kasi kami if papalitan pa namin ung una namin nilagay sa immi initially defacto.. since di pa kami nag babayad may option pa to edit. kaka engaged ko lang nung thursday kaya di ko sure if mas ok na engaged na lang lagay namin di ba kasama sa drop down un. pero un lang maliban sa pic na may ring and likes sa FB from friends and families.. wala na kami maidadagdag so far.. di pa makakuha marriage license kasi may expiration ata wala pa kami plan ng wedding so far. more or less next year pa last quarter.. so baka sayang ung pagkuha license if maexpire. pero guessok lang po no kahit ung regular "defacto" lang na supporting ang ipass.

rich88

@MayoMay Kung mas comfortable ka sa de-facto, de-facto na lang. Either way, same evidences din naman iuupload mo. Be ready na lang for other supporting documents in case hindi convinced ang CO.

MayoMay

@rich88

The history of the relationship through a signed statement regarding:
• how, when and where the couple first met
• how the relationship developed
• the couple's domestic arrangements, that is, how they support each other financially, physically and emotionally and when this level of commitment began
• any periods of separation, when and why the separation occurred, for how long and how the couple maintained their relationship during the period of separation
• the couple's future plans.
Financial aspects of the relationship, such as:
• joint ownership of the house or joint names on a lease
• correspondence addressed to the couple at the same address
• details of financial commitments including bank statements, and any joint liabilities.
The nature of the household, such as:
• any joint responsibility for the care and support of any children
• the couple's living arrangements including sharing responsibilities within the home.
Social context, such as:
• evidence that the couple is generally accepted and recognised as a couple socially such as joint invitations
• evidence of common friends
• assessments by the couple's friends and family of the relationship
• joint travel or joint participation in sporting, social or cultural activities.
The couple's commitment to each other, such as:
• the duration of the relationship including knowledge of each other
• intention to have a long term relationship, for example, through terms of their wills
• correspondence and telephone accounts to show that the couple maintained contact during any periods of separation.


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nag gawa din po ba kayo ng naka pdf with table of contents? tapos sama sama na evidence pati statutory para sa history of relationship? or masyado malaki. pingahiwahiwalay nyo. tapos dahil pag inupload per category sya?

rich88

@MayoMay yes PDF document with table of contents for photos with event captions only. Hindi na ako nagsama ng statutory declaration eh.

MayoMay

@rich88 salamat sir. hahaha ung sample na gawa ko kahapon 2MB na agad. wala pa masyado pic. whaaaaaaaaaaaa. sguro separate ko na lang statutory para sa history ng relationship. para di masyado mabigat. 5MB po ba max file size?

rich88

@MayoMay Gawin mo na lang Part 1, Part2, until Part XX basta 5MB per document.

ash0818

Hi everyone,

I'm just new here sa forum and basically researching on how to pursue our plans to migrate in Australia. Just wanted to ask for your advice, if anyone has the same experience of applying de facto from UAE, kasi diba bawal ang live-in. Can we make a statement na lang na bawal maglive-in dito, would they consider that?

My partner and I have been in a relationship for more than 5 years now, we have travel stamps, bookings, pictures from the last five years, and can ask for statements from friends/relatives and also planning to open a joint bank account soon sa Pinas. Just not sure if these are enough para maconsider kami as de facto since medyo kabado kami dahil bawal maglive-in dito sa UAE.

Thank you so much and hope somebody responds!

SAP_Melaka

@ash0818 Hello, I think this would be considered. I read before same case as yours (but I cant remember from whom). Also, I've read as well in some migration site that this will be acceptable. Make sure you have enough proof. Financial obligations are strong proof.

ash0818

Hi @SAP_Melaka thanks! I was also able to talk to someone who applied here from UAE. They had a successful application naman, hope it turns out well for us also. Thanks!

aishee5

@ash0818 Hi po. we have the same case, I am also here in UAe and gathering docs for de facto. Ive read 1 comment in this topic saying na nagpagawa daw sya ng statement sa kasama nila sa bahay that happens to be the one renting the flat din. nag attach nlang daw cla ng copy of the the tenancy contract and yung statement nung my ari. Im thinking of doing the same. You've said there were successful applicants from UAE. What have they provided po? Thanks.

ash0818

Hi, @aishee5 ! Great to know meron din ako na same case right now na nagpeprepare for de facto. Sa mga nakausap ko, they provided yang mga sinabi mo. Kakainquire ko lang sa ENBD and Emirates Islamic, hindi kami allowed na gawin akong supplementary ng partner ko since dapat mag-asawa lang. Joint account is not allowed as well. So we're planning separate bank statements namin showing transfers namin sa isa't isa, sa landlord namin, and yung remittances nya sa Philippine bank account ko. This is for the financial aspect of the evidences.

Also, they explained sa stat dec nila (which is not really stat dec since hindi na sya ninotarize kasi bawal dito live in diba lagot tayo pag pinaabogado hehe) na hindi allowed live in dito. Thankfully successful naman sila.

How long na kayo magkasama? Kami kasi more than a year na though strong evidences ay almost a year pa lang. First steps pa lang kami will be taking PTE soon.

aishee5

@ash0818 hi. more than 1 year na din kami magkasama kaso our landlord would not want to give any statement daw kase natatakot sya. Thats my biggest problem now, how will I satisfy the CO about 1 year living together if wlang proof na nakatira kami in house for more than a year. tapus na ako mag ielts and waiting nlng ng COE from the Uni.

ash0818

@aishee5 naku yun lang. I think makakatulong din sana if may statement ng landlord eh. Samin kasi I've already asked for the dewa bills since magstart kami magrent sa kanila, then hingan ko din sya statement and house conctract pag na-invite na kami hopefully. Tell your landlord na lang na siguro na diretso naman sa AU immigration ang statement and I don't think naman na mag-aabala ang authority dito na hulihin tayo isa isa kasi sa dami naman naglilive-in dito. Hehe.

aishee5

@ash0818 how many times ko na inexplain pero ayaw talga. malaki sannag proof talga pag galing sa kanya ang statement. hanap nalang kami ibang evidence.

ash0818

@aishee5 I think icoconsider pa rin naman nila kasi technically bawal maglive-in dito sa UAE. If you have siguro at least mga bank transfers sa isa't isa, since bawal din ang joint account dito satin, siguro kahit paano makadagdag sya. Or mga purchases or letters na addressed sainyo kahit magkahiwalay. Though eto wala kami masyado kasi di naman uso dito magpadeliver sa bahay usually office address or PO Box ginagamit.

Or statement din siguro ng housemate nyo or if may friends or relatives kayo na nandito rin at aware na magkasama kayo.

aishee5

@ash0818 dalawa pwedeng gawin namin. either hindi na kami manghihingi nang statement sa Landord but then we can provide copies of things delivered for him and me na same ang address. or we can ask our friend who rents a flat na mag testify na duon kami nag rent sa kanya kahit hindi tlga kami dun nakatira. anu kaya mas mabuting option?

we can also provide satatment ng mga friends and relatives nmin dito sa dubai.

Budoy

hello po sa lahat. Tanong ko lang po kung required ba na dapat ma-meet yung 3 requirements para maka claim ng 5 points? O pwedeng ok sa age at sa English at wala ng skill assessment?

Partner skills
Evidence that at the time you were invited to apply for this visa, your partner:
-was under 50 years of age; and
-had at least Competent English; and
-had a suitable skills assessment from the relevant assessing authority for their nominated occupation (which must be on the same skilled occupations list as your nominated occupation).

Hoping lang ako na pwede sila magbigay additional points sa de facto kahit wala assessment. Malaking tulong din kasi yung 5 points.

Maraming Salamat po.

jenipet20

@Budoy - need ng skills assessment. At dapat same kayo ng occupation list

Budoy

@jenipet20 Thank you. Confirm ko lang po, required pa rin ng english assessment (kahit competent english lang) ng partner kahit di na after additional points?

jenipet20

@Budoy - yup pero pede na din ung certificate of medium english ata yun na kinukuha sa school kapalit ng ielts/pte. Basta hnd sya ang primary applicant at hnd kayo kuha ng partner points

Budoy

@jenipet20 - noted po. maraming salamat ulit.

Sai

Hi! Can we use Form 888 for Stat Decs even if we are in the Philippines and just have them notarized by Notary Public? Will they still be accepted? I hope someone can help me. Thank you!

SAP_Melaka

Hello Everyone,

Concerning proof for de-facto – should the testimony from friends/family be notarized? Or signed testimony plus proof (eg. pictures together + any proof of identification like passport) will suffice? If anyone could share their experience, I highly appreciate it.

eujin

hello guys, question po for dependents (married)..

- Need din ba namen magprovide ng proof of employment for partner na kinuhanan ng partner points (+5) ? Need din ba magprovide ng partner ng payslips, and all?

AFAIK, competent english at valid assessment lang ang need.
Not sure po kasi kung nagchecheck din ba si CO kung tama ba ung assessment ng partner and isa isahin din yung employment niya.

hope someone had the same experience and pashare naman po kung ano ni-provide nyo for partner .. salamat po ng marami!

michaelguanzon_ust

Good day everyone! Would like to ask po sana yung case ko,
for EOI na kasi ako, subclass 189 (Software Engineer - 65 pts) and I want to include my long time girlfriend(7years) in my application because it's impossible for her to get 8 in all IELTS-Academic module (requirement kapag teacher). I'm planning to propose to her this May 2017. Kapag ganun ba, ang bibilangin is yung years ng relationship or dapat 1 year kaming engaged bago pa ako mag submit ng EOI? Hindi kasi kmi live-in and wala kming shared bills na pwedeng mapakita. Ang pinaka pwede lang nmin mging documents ay

* Documents of our CAR na sa amin nakapangalan
* A looot of pictures including our travel in Australia couple of years ago
* Stat dec/affidavit from our family and friends here and from Australia

Enough na po kaya ang mga yan and how can we prove na engaged kami if ever? Thank you so much in advance sa kahit anong advice. God bless everyone!

ultimecia25

Hello. Question po regarding de facto visa application. Here is the scenario:
1. Both my boyfriend and I received a positive assessment from Engineers Australia. So when we lodged our EOI, we added each other as skilled partner to claim additional 5 points.
2. Now, most likely mauuna mainvite yung boyfriend ko since ubos na yung slots sa skill ko. Iniisip namin kung ipupush ba namin na iclaim niya yung partner skill point kasi natatakot kami na baka di marecognize yung de facto relationship namin. Eto yung current situation namin:
A. We don't live together. I stay with my relatives sa Manila kasi sa Ayala yung work ko. Tapos siya nasa Clark since andun work niya. Although pag weekends, dun ako umuuwi.
B. Ang proof lang na meron kami ay:
- yung receipts ng payment ng rent niya, since minsan ako nagbabayad
- magoopen palang kami ng joint bank account this April
- bank transfers pero not that much
- travels both local and abroad na kami lang dalawa

Any opinion or suggestions would be greatly appreciated po. Thank you!