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Posts: 985Member
Joined: Aug 13, 2016
Thank you
Computer Network and Systems Engineer - 263111
Age 33-39- 25points
English superior- 20points
Bachelor's Degree- 15points
Work Experience- 10pts
Total- 70pts
July 25, 2016- Lodged ACS
August 2, 2016- Favorable letter from ACS
January 10, 2017- Took PTE
January 12, 2017- PTE exam results (L90 R86 S90 W79)
January 12, 2017- EOI
January 18, 2017- ITA received
January 19, 2017- NBI (hit)
January 23, 2017- Visa Lodge 189
January 24, 2017- Medical bgc
January 27, 2017- NBI clearance received
February 2, 2017- Medical cleared (no action required)
February 15, 2017- Grant
October 26, 2017- Flight to Melbourne
October 27, 2017- Landed in Melbourne
July 14, 2018- Moved to Sydney
October 11, 2019- Wife gave birth to a baby boy
October 20, 2019- Applied for baby's birth certificate online
October 23, 2019- Baby boy's birth certificate received
October 25, 2019- Applied for baby's medicare
October 31, 2019- Baby's medicare activated
October 31, 2019- Applied for baby's citizenship certificate
November 7, 2019- Received baby's citizenship certificate
November 13, 2019- Applied for baby's passport
November 20, 2019- Baby's AU passport received
November 2, 2021- Submitted AU citizenship application for myself and my wife
April 14, 2022- Received Interview with Standard Test letter. May 25 schedule.
May 25, 2022- Passed the Australian Citizenship Test
May 25, 2022- Citizenship Approval Received
September 15, 2022- Invitation to Citizenship Ceremony Received
October 6, 2022- Citizenship Ceremony
October 18, 2022- AU passport application lodged
November 7, 2022- Passport received
Posts: 2,127Member
Joined: Mar 01, 2011
Sa mga taga SG before na nag apply for citizenship need ba talaga ng SG COC maski hindi naman na bumalik ng sg talaga?
Apr 26, 2013 ACS Result- Suitable
Feb 21,2013 Submitted ACS online assessment - Software Tester
May 9, 2016 PTE Exam Result L/R/S/W- 71/69/83/72 Passed Thank you Papa Jesus
Aug 18,2016 ACS Result- Suitable -Software Engineer
Aug 19, 2016 Lodged EOI for subclass 190
July 13, 2017 Lodged EOI and Submitted Application for subclass 489
Aug 12, 2017 ITA Received
Aug 25,2017 Scheduled Medical Test
Aug 28, 2017 Medical Cleared(No Action Required)
Aug 30, 2017 NBI Clearance PH
Sept 15, 2017 SG COC Fingerprint and Collection
Sept 20, 2017 Visa Lodge
Nov 1, 2017 CO Contact (Requesting to Send PTE Score Report to DIBP which I already did before)
Mar 6, 2018 Visa Grant
Visa 887 Timeline
July 25, 2020 Visa Lodge
Oct 12, 2020 Visa Grant
Citizenship Timeline
July 4, 2022 Submitted Citizenship Application
Dec 21, 2022 Invitation for Exam(Need to reschedule the exam)
Feb 21, 2023 Citizenship Exam
April 3, 2023 Received Approval Letter
June 22, 2023 Citizenship Ceremony
*****Dream big, think positive and Pray to God*****
Posts: 2,144Member, Moderator
Joined: Sep 14, 2015
dinako kumuha ng sg coc
233211 Civil Engineer
30/09/15 - VETASSESS Lodged - 133112 Project Builder
09/10/15 - IELTS Results: L-7.5, R-7.0, W-6.0, S-7.5 OBS-7.0
19/10/15 - PTE A Results: L-82, R-74, S-90, W-76 OAS-79
26/11/15 - Obtained NBI Clearance
09/12/15 - VETASSESS Results - NEGATIVE!!!
12/01/16 - Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia
22/01/16 - EA Positive Results - Bachelor's Degree with 4 years 8 months skilled employment
22/01/16 - Lodged EOI 189 (60pts)
03/02/16 - Received 189 ITA
11/02/16 - Health Clearance Provided - No Action Required
18/02/16 - Obtained SG CoC
26/02/16 - Lodged 189 Visa
15/03/16 - Direct Grant - IED 11/02/2017
25/05/16 - Big Move Perth!
16/06/16 - Started Casual Work
11/07/16 - Permanent Full-time Work
Now for the Citizenship Journey
26/08/2019 - Applied and acknowledgement letter received
27/09/2019 - Test Email Invite for 19/12/2019
01/10/2019 - Actual Test/Interview Date
01/10/2019 - Approval Date (received the approval letter from the post 11/10/2019)
05/02/2020 - Ceremony Date (received the email 10/01/2020)
Posts: 2,127Member
Joined: Mar 01, 2011
thank you @se29m
Apr 26, 2013 ACS Result- Suitable
Feb 21,2013 Submitted ACS online assessment - Software Tester
May 9, 2016 PTE Exam Result L/R/S/W- 71/69/83/72 Passed Thank you Papa Jesus
Aug 18,2016 ACS Result- Suitable -Software Engineer
Aug 19, 2016 Lodged EOI for subclass 190
July 13, 2017 Lodged EOI and Submitted Application for subclass 489
Aug 12, 2017 ITA Received
Aug 25,2017 Scheduled Medical Test
Aug 28, 2017 Medical Cleared(No Action Required)
Aug 30, 2017 NBI Clearance PH
Sept 15, 2017 SG COC Fingerprint and Collection
Sept 20, 2017 Visa Lodge
Nov 1, 2017 CO Contact (Requesting to Send PTE Score Report to DIBP which I already did before)
Mar 6, 2018 Visa Grant
Visa 887 Timeline
July 25, 2020 Visa Lodge
Oct 12, 2020 Visa Grant
Citizenship Timeline
July 4, 2022 Submitted Citizenship Application
Dec 21, 2022 Invitation for Exam(Need to reschedule the exam)
Feb 21, 2023 Citizenship Exam
April 3, 2023 Received Approval Letter
June 22, 2023 Citizenship Ceremony
*****Dream big, think positive and Pray to God*****
Posts: 160Member
Joined: May 18, 2016
Hello. It’s been 13 mos since we lodged our citizenship application. Meron ba dito same situation?
ANZSCO 233511 Industrial Engineer
20/2/2016 IELTS
09/3/2016 Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia
30/3/2016 EA Positive Assessment & submitted EOI
13/4/2016 Received ITA
02/5/2016 Lodge visa (sub class 189)
23/5/2016 CO contact requesting Form 80 & Form 815
23/5/2016 Submitted addt'l requirements
10/6/2016 VISA GRANT!!!!
14/10/2016 Big move to Melbourne!
To God be the glory!
Posts: 2,179Member, Moderator
Joined: Jul 04, 2012
Me, been 12 months waiting..
18 Mar '16 IELTS Results
06 Apr '16 EA CDR Skills Assessment submitted
26 Apr '16 EA Skills Assessment Positive Outcome
06 May '16 PTE-A Exam
07 May '16 PTE- A Results & Submitted EOI
11 May '16 Got ITA
02 Jun '16 Lodge Visa
04 Jul '16 Direct Grant
Believe you can... and you're halfway there.... - Roosevelt
Posts: 59Member
Joined: May 23, 2013
Almost 12 months din yung citizenship process ko. Nag-file ako November 2020, tapos nag-exam ng May 2021, inabutan ng lockdown sa Sydney tapos nag-ceremony na rin last week. Online lang yung ceremony though
263111 - Computer Network and Systems Engineer
Dec 10 2015 - Submitted documents to ACS
Dec 23 2015 - Received assessment - Suitable, AQF bachelor degree, ICT Major (BS ECE), 3 (out of 5.5) years credited
Jan 26 2016 - PTE-A exam (S-90, W-90, R-90, L-90)
Jan 27 2016 - Submitted 189 Visa EOI (70 pts)
Feb 3 2016 - Received 189 ITA
Feb 12 2016 - Obtained NBI Clearance
Feb 13 2016 - Medicals at NHSI Makati
Feb 17 2016 - Obtained medical clearance
Feb 24 2016 - Lodged 189 visa
Mar 15 2016 - Direct Grant (GSM Brisbane)
Mar 29 2016 - PDOS at CFO Manila
Aug 5 2016 - Big Move to Sydney
Nov 29 2021 - Citizenship Ceremony
Posts: 160Member
Joined: May 18, 2016
@Captain_A Melb ka din? Everytime magcheck ako received pa din ang status 😅😅
ANZSCO 233511 Industrial Engineer
20/2/2016 IELTS
09/3/2016 Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia
30/3/2016 EA Positive Assessment & submitted EOI
13/4/2016 Received ITA
02/5/2016 Lodge visa (sub class 189)
23/5/2016 CO contact requesting Form 80 & Form 815
23/5/2016 Submitted addt'l requirements
10/6/2016 VISA GRANT!!!!
14/10/2016 Big move to Melbourne!
To God be the glory!
Posts: 160Member
Joined: May 18, 2016
@Nolwe yung sa amin kasi as in received lang ang status. Yun lang ang movement
ANZSCO 233511 Industrial Engineer
20/2/2016 IELTS
09/3/2016 Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia
30/3/2016 EA Positive Assessment & submitted EOI
13/4/2016 Received ITA
02/5/2016 Lodge visa (sub class 189)
23/5/2016 CO contact requesting Form 80 & Form 815
23/5/2016 Submitted addt'l requirements
10/6/2016 VISA GRANT!!!!
14/10/2016 Big move to Melbourne!
To God be the glory!
Posts: 2,179Member, Moderator
Joined: Jul 04, 2012
consider yourself lucky, kami since Nov 2020 update.
But i suggest, email them for a virtual ceremony since may issue uli ng new variant.
sa website, in 7-9 months dapat may ceremony ka na from date of approval
18 Mar '16 IELTS Results
06 Apr '16 EA CDR Skills Assessment submitted
26 Apr '16 EA Skills Assessment Positive Outcome
06 May '16 PTE-A Exam
07 May '16 PTE- A Results & Submitted EOI
11 May '16 Got ITA
02 Jun '16 Lodge Visa
04 Jul '16 Direct Grant
Believe you can... and you're halfway there.... - Roosevelt
Posts: 2,179Member, Moderator
Joined: Jul 04, 2012
yes, Melb din.. so far, Sept 2020 and earlier yung mga makakareceive daw ng test invites for Dec-Jan test dates, so baka mga mga Feb tayo hopefully..
test p lng yan
iba pa ang ceremony
18 Mar '16 IELTS Results
06 Apr '16 EA CDR Skills Assessment submitted
26 Apr '16 EA Skills Assessment Positive Outcome
06 May '16 PTE-A Exam
07 May '16 PTE- A Results & Submitted EOI
11 May '16 Got ITA
02 Jun '16 Lodge Visa
04 Jul '16 Direct Grant
Believe you can... and you're halfway there.... - Roosevelt
Posts: 5Member
Joined: Jan 09, 2017
Hello,
In your citizenship interview/test day, did they ask for your child's passport as evidence? has anybody been asked to renew their child's passport if expired at the time of interview ?
Thanks!
Posts: 2,179Member, Moderator
Joined: Jul 04, 2012
i ask immig officer about renewing passport before lodging citizenship app, at kung kailangang current ang passport during interview/test day, she said, no need.
wala daw requirement na dapat current ang passport.
18 Mar '16 IELTS Results
06 Apr '16 EA CDR Skills Assessment submitted
26 Apr '16 EA Skills Assessment Positive Outcome
06 May '16 PTE-A Exam
07 May '16 PTE- A Results & Submitted EOI
11 May '16 Got ITA
02 Jun '16 Lodge Visa
04 Jul '16 Direct Grant
Believe you can... and you're halfway there.... - Roosevelt
Posts: 5Member
Joined: Jan 09, 2017
hello again..
may i ask has anybody changed their name (removed the middle name - maiden surname) just before the citizenship exam or before the citizenship approval (just after passing the test) ? i am aware there's a process, payment and a document to upload.. but not sure how to do that? how do i apply for change of name ?
thanks so much!
Posts: 275Member
Joined: Mar 06, 2018
when you said "apply for change of name", did you mean update name?
ANZSCO 233213 Quantity Surveyor
Posts: 1,342Member
Joined: Feb 19, 2013
Hello everyone.. meron po ba dito na recently lang naging citizen and nag-apply ng Australian Passport?
Gaano katagal before nyo na-receive passports nyo?
8 weeks na since nag-apply ako ng Au passport, until now 'Under Assessment' pa din....
I know na there could be heaps of new/renewal applications since nag-open ang border... pero grabe naman yung 2 months wala pa din.... then wala namang sumasagot sa call centre nila
Nominated Occupation: Plant or Production Engineer (ANZSCO 233513)
03/23/13: IELTS GT Exam (British Council)
04/05/13: IELTS Results L:7.0/R:7.5/W:7.5/S:8.5 OBS: 7.5
makalipas ang isang taon....
04/20/14: CDR Application sent to EA
07/09/14: EA started reviewing my CDR
08/08/14: EA Assessment Positive Results (Thank you LORD!!!)
09/16/14: Requested EA for a Duplicate Letter (Original Outcome Letter lost during mail delivery to PH)
09/21/14: Duplicate Assessment Letter received (Finally!!)
09/21/14: EOI Lodged (70 pts)
09/22/14: Invited to lodge Skilled - Independent (Subclass 189) visa
09/23/14: Obtained Overseas PCC
09/29/14: Obtained NBI Clearance
10/12/14: Lodged application - Visa Subclass 189
10/12/14: Uploaded docs
10/20/14: Medicals Done
12/06/14: Direct Grant! To GOD Be the Glory!
12/13/14: Completed Initial Entry - Sydney
Posts: 65Member
Joined: Jan 14, 2017
Hope everyone is doing well. Tanong ko lang, sa mga nasa NSW anong month of approval ang naiinvite na ngaun for the January oath taking? Thanks.
Posts: 188Member
Joined: Mar 13, 2015
Hello po, kakatapos lang ng citizenship exam ko pero tinanong po ako ng officer about my names sa au driver licence and passport. Sa driver licence po kasi wala na ang middle name ko (last name ng mother). Its either magpa change name daw ako para yung walang middle name ang ilagay sa citizenship cert or ipabago ko lahat ng IDs ko dito sa au para ilagay ang middle name from ph. May naka exp po ba nito and ano po ang advisable thing to do? Salamat po sa sasagot
2014.05.17: IELTS - L=8.5 R=8 W=8 S=7
2015.03.10: ACS Assessment Lodged
2015.03.13: ACS Results for System Admin (262113) - OK
2015.03.17: EOI Submitted (60+5)
2016.04.15: NSW Invite - visa 190
2016.04.15: NSW App Submitted
2016.05.04: NBI clearance acquired
2016.05.17: NSW Approval and DIBP ITA for visa 190
2016.05.19: Medicals at SLEC-BGC (Mine-OK, Wife-med cert requested from OB due to PCOS)
2016.05.26: Medical status: completed - no action required both wife and me
2016.05.26: Lodged visa 190 - frontloaded NBI, Medicals, form 80
2016.07.14: CO Contact - Brisbane. Asked for Proof of spouse relationship and Form 80 of Wife
2016.07.15: Additional docs submitted
2016.07.29: VISA GRANTED!
Posts: 54Member
Joined: Oct 27, 2018
Not in the stage of getting citizenship yet, still waiting for PR, pero I think it would be best na consistent yung IDs mo and it should include everything. Yung change name as far as i know would need to be backed up by a good reason but best to check if this should be done in AU or PH and what the law requires.
Posts: 188Member
Joined: Mar 13, 2015
Thank you po. Parang naisip ko kasi change name na lang dito para idrop ang middle name ko kaso nagtry ako sa bdm nsw eh parang wala naman ako kasi record na may middle name ako rito sa australia. Lahat ng legal docs ko dito ay wala nang middle name so wala nang kailangan baguhin. Wait ko na lang siguro ang email ng officer kung ano isusuggest nila. Salamat po
2014.05.17: IELTS - L=8.5 R=8 W=8 S=7
2015.03.10: ACS Assessment Lodged
2015.03.13: ACS Results for System Admin (262113) - OK
2015.03.17: EOI Submitted (60+5)
2016.04.15: NSW Invite - visa 190
2016.04.15: NSW App Submitted
2016.05.04: NBI clearance acquired
2016.05.17: NSW Approval and DIBP ITA for visa 190
2016.05.19: Medicals at SLEC-BGC (Mine-OK, Wife-med cert requested from OB due to PCOS)
2016.05.26: Medical status: completed - no action required both wife and me
2016.05.26: Lodged visa 190 - frontloaded NBI, Medicals, form 80
2016.07.14: CO Contact - Brisbane. Asked for Proof of spouse relationship and Form 80 of Wife
2016.07.15: Additional docs submitted
2016.07.29: VISA GRANTED!
Posts: 275Member
Joined: Mar 06, 2018
In my case, most of my legal documents ko wala din middle name (mother's maiden surname). However, in the citizenship interview (before citizenship test) they asked why some of my documents did not have my middle name. The officer told me that they will be using my full name as seen in my ph passport as this was my name on their record.
ANZSCO 233213 Quantity Surveyor
Posts: 861Member
Joined: Apr 25, 2014
waiting pa din kami ng oathtaking ceremony. We have received our approval 24th July 2021. Toowoomba QLD.
Timeline: Student Visa Subclass 573 (Masters)
06 July 2015: Visa Grant
April 2018: Uni Graduation
Timeline: Permanent Visa (189) Accountant 221111
18 April 2018: ITA received - Visa 189
04 May 2018 : Lodged Visa Application - Visa 189
29 Aug 2018 - First CO Contact - PCC Qatar (partner)
9 Jan 2019 - 2nd CO Contact - penal waiver
18 Jan 2019 - Updated immiaccount with penal waiver
29 Jan 2019 - Forwarded PCC to gsm.allocated email
8 Feb 2019 - Visa Grant - Finally!!
Timeline: Citizenship
July 2020: Application lodgment
May 2021: Citizenship Exam
Feb 2022: Oi! Oi! Oi! Aussie na din sa wakas!
Posts: 35Member
Joined: Nov 16, 2016
Hi @Abby_ we got our citizenship appointment sent last week 21 Jan, lodged 05 July. Ang schedule ko is 17 Mar 2022. My application is also still in "Received" status but got the email last week. Try to check your immi. Thanks.
263312 Telecommunications Network Engineer
24/09/2016 IELTS exam
29/09/2016 L: 8.0 R: 7.5 W: 6 S:7
29/11/2016 Submitted EA assessment fast track
19/12/2016 PTE-A Exam
20/12/2016 PTE-A Result L:72 R:80 S:73 W:84
22/12/2016 EAUST favorable assessment
22/12/2016 EOI submitted (subclass189:65pts)
04/01/2017 ITA received
05/01/2017 NBI clearance (hit)
06/01/2017 Lodged visa
10/01/2017 Schedule medicals at SLEC BGC
12/01/2017 NBI clearance uploaded
31/01/2017 Direct Grant! Thank you Lord!
05/07/2017 Big Move...
Posts: 160Member
Joined: May 18, 2016
Hello @ginger_ice17 same status pa din. Hopefully sa ika 18mos nya since lodgement sana may movement na 😊
ANZSCO 233511 Industrial Engineer
20/2/2016 IELTS
09/3/2016 Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia
30/3/2016 EA Positive Assessment & submitted EOI
13/4/2016 Received ITA
02/5/2016 Lodge visa (sub class 189)
23/5/2016 CO contact requesting Form 80 & Form 815
23/5/2016 Submitted addt'l requirements
10/6/2016 VISA GRANT!!!!
14/10/2016 Big move to Melbourne!
To God be the glory!
Posts: 35Member
Joined: Nov 16, 2016
Hi @Abby_ did you try to open the application and check kung may Citizenship appointment kana? Sakin kasi meron na kahit na Received padin yung Application status
263312 Telecommunications Network Engineer
24/09/2016 IELTS exam
29/09/2016 L: 8.0 R: 7.5 W: 6 S:7
29/11/2016 Submitted EA assessment fast track
19/12/2016 PTE-A Exam
20/12/2016 PTE-A Result L:72 R:80 S:73 W:84
22/12/2016 EAUST favorable assessment
22/12/2016 EOI submitted (subclass189:65pts)
04/01/2017 ITA received
05/01/2017 NBI clearance (hit)
06/01/2017 Lodged visa
10/01/2017 Schedule medicals at SLEC BGC
12/01/2017 NBI clearance uploaded
31/01/2017 Direct Grant! Thank you Lord!
05/07/2017 Big Move...
Posts: 160Member
Joined: May 18, 2016
Hello. Finally nag-email na sila today about our appointment for interview and test scheduled on 9th March 😊😊😊
ANZSCO 233511 Industrial Engineer
20/2/2016 IELTS
09/3/2016 Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia
30/3/2016 EA Positive Assessment & submitted EOI
13/4/2016 Received ITA
02/5/2016 Lodge visa (sub class 189)
23/5/2016 CO contact requesting Form 80 & Form 815
23/5/2016 Submitted addt'l requirements
10/6/2016 VISA GRANT!!!!
14/10/2016 Big move to Melbourne!
To God be the glory!
Posts: 35Member
Joined: Nov 16, 2016
Start na ng review hahahhaha good luck to us!
263312 Telecommunications Network Engineer
24/09/2016 IELTS exam
29/09/2016 L: 8.0 R: 7.5 W: 6 S:7
29/11/2016 Submitted EA assessment fast track
19/12/2016 PTE-A Exam
20/12/2016 PTE-A Result L:72 R:80 S:73 W:84
22/12/2016 EAUST favorable assessment
22/12/2016 EOI submitted (subclass189:65pts)
04/01/2017 ITA received
05/01/2017 NBI clearance (hit)
06/01/2017 Lodged visa
10/01/2017 Schedule medicals at SLEC BGC
12/01/2017 NBI clearance uploaded
31/01/2017 Direct Grant! Thank you Lord!
05/07/2017 Big Move...
Posts: 160Member
Joined: May 18, 2016
Yes goodluck to us 😊😊
ANZSCO 233511 Industrial Engineer
20/2/2016 IELTS
09/3/2016 Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia
30/3/2016 EA Positive Assessment & submitted EOI
13/4/2016 Received ITA
02/5/2016 Lodge visa (sub class 189)
23/5/2016 CO contact requesting Form 80 & Form 815
23/5/2016 Submitted addt'l requirements
10/6/2016 VISA GRANT!!!!
14/10/2016 Big move to Melbourne!
To God be the glory!
Posts: 861Member
Joined: Apr 25, 2014
Sharing our Australian journey:
Date of arrival to Australia on Student Visa: July 2015
Date of Permanent Residency: Feb 2019
Date and year of Citizenship Eligibility: Feb 2020
Citizenship app lodged: July 2020
Citizenship exam : 30 June 2021
Citizenship approval: 24 July 2021
Oathtaking Ceremony: 21 February 2022
Citizenship timeline - 19 months from application to oathtaking. Waiting game is real.
Kaya sa mga nagaantay, habaan pa ang pasensya!
Timeline: Student Visa Subclass 573 (Masters)
06 July 2015: Visa Grant
April 2018: Uni Graduation
Timeline: Permanent Visa (189) Accountant 221111
18 April 2018: ITA received - Visa 189
04 May 2018 : Lodged Visa Application - Visa 189
29 Aug 2018 - First CO Contact - PCC Qatar (partner)
9 Jan 2019 - 2nd CO Contact - penal waiver
18 Jan 2019 - Updated immiaccount with penal waiver
29 Jan 2019 - Forwarded PCC to gsm.allocated email
8 Feb 2019 - Visa Grant - Finally!!
Timeline: Citizenship
July 2020: Application lodgment
May 2021: Citizenship Exam
Feb 2022: Oi! Oi! Oi! Aussie na din sa wakas!
Posts: 77Member
Joined: Feb 05, 2017
Hi, ask ko lang kung ano kaya hanap nila kapag ganito? Nai-upload na un birth cert & passport ng mga kids. Thanks in advance.