Architect - Applying as Architectural Draftsperson

danced22622 · July 2022

Hi Maam, temporary visa po. Actually we're decided na sa Brisbane. It's just if he has a better chance to get work sa sydney, it might be a deciding point too.

athelene · July 2022

@danced22622 said:
Hi Maam, temporary visa po. Actually we're decided na sa Brisbane. It's just if he has a better chance to get work sa sydney, it might be a deciding point too.

How long is that temporary visa valid? Is your employer giving you the option to work in either Sydney or Brisbane office?

In my experience, mas mura ang rent sa Brisbane than Sydney (not so much cheaper, but every dollar helps with the savings). Sydney public transport is much more developed because Sydney is a bigger city. Yes, there's a lot more attractions and places to visit in Sydney, but I feel like mas relaxed sa Brisbane (not as crowded or busy). If you don't like being in a big, bustling city, then Brisbane would be a good option.

If bagong salta/dating in Australia, it may take time to actually find a job relevant to the profession. One of my archi friends arrived as a PR in Sydney, and it took him over a year to get into the design industry because he didn't have the local experience (but he had many years of archi experience in Dubai). So his overseas experience didn't really count for much here. Start from scratch talaga siya. What he did was work full time in a factory for a year just to pay bills and gain "local" experience, then he moved on to finding archi/design work.

Of course, each person's situation will be different, but I just wanted to let you know the reality of things so you can manage your expectations.

kira_arki · August 2022

Hi there! New member here! Ask ko lang po may mga Landscape Architect po ba dito? Regulated po ba ang Landscape Arch sa Australia? Anong pathway po pedeng applyan sa ganitong profession.

athelene · August 2022

@kira_arki said:
Hi there! New member here! Ask ko lang po may mga Landscape Architect po ba dito? Regulated po ba ang Landscape Arch sa Australia? Anong pathway po pedeng applyan sa ganitong profession.

As far as I know, LA is not as regulated as architecture, but there is a professional organization (AILA) where you can get "registered" as a landscape architect. Like architecture registration in Australia, getting registered as LA is optional, so you don't have to get registered in order to work in the industry. If you do decide to register, you can apply through either of the 2 pathways: 12-month mentorship or Senior Entry (if you have at least 8 years of full-time work experience).

You can have a look at AILA's website for more information:
https://aila.org.au/Web/Web/Membership/Membership.aspx?hkey=025a9cc1-9510-4a2c-9dcd-34009e1a090d

Job ads for LA usually require at least a bachelor's degree in landscape architecture; only a few job ads mention accepting architecture grads/allied disciplines.

For migration pathway, LA looks like it's in the MLTSSL, and you need to get your skills assessed by VETASSESS.

jakibantiles · August 2022

Hi po. May mga nagstudy po ba ng Architecture dito? My husband has a positive assessment from Engineers Australia as a Mechanical Engineer tapos gusto nya maging Architect kaso 6-8yrs yun pag part time. May way kaya na mabawasan yung units na need nya gamit yung engineering credentials nya? TIA!

athelene · August 2022

@jakibantiles said:
Hi po. May mga nagstudy po ba ng Architecture dito? My husband has a positive assessment from Engineers Australia as a Mechanical Engineer tapos gusto nya maging Architect kaso 6-8yrs yun pag part time. May way kaya na mabawasan yung units na need nya gamit yung engineering credentials nya? TIA!

Do you mean he wants to study architecture in Australia? Unfortunately the architecture program in Australia has very little technical or engineering-related units (unlike the program in the PH na may statics, physics, engineering sciences), so changing career into architecture will take years, especially if he's considering to get registered as an architect here.

Most common/logical approach would be to take a 3-year architecture undergraduate degree (Bachelor of Design/Bachelor of Architectural Studies), then the 2-year MArch. To get registered as an architect, that will need at least 2 years of local architecture work experience for the logbook, then take the APE written exam and interview (APE is the Australian equivalent to the PRC board exam for architecture). So that's going to be 5 years of full-time study, then a few more years to get registered.

I do know University of Melbourne has a 3-year full-time MArch stream, so people who don't have a bachelor degree in architecture can go straight into the MArch. However, the minimum entry requirement requires having done 1 design studio and 1 history subject (related to art, architecture, built environment, design) during the undergrad. I am assuming the design studio experience requirement is kind of proof that prospective applicants are aware of how the design studio runs? Maybe your husband can contact UniMelb directly to inquire on whether he will be eligible to get admission in that program.

jakibantiles · August 2022

@athelene said:

@jakibantiles said:
Hi po. May mga nagstudy po ba ng Architecture dito? My husband has a positive assessment from Engineers Australia as a Mechanical Engineer tapos gusto nya maging Architect kaso 6-8yrs yun pag part time. May way kaya na mabawasan yung units na need nya gamit yung engineering credentials nya? TIA!

Do you mean he wants to study architecture in Australia? Unfortunately the architecture program in Australia has very little technical or engineering-related units (unlike the program in the PH na may statics, physics, engineering sciences), so changing career into architecture will take years, especially if he's considering to get registered as an architect here.

Most common/logical approach would be to take a 3-year architecture undergraduate degree (Bachelor of Design/Bachelor of Architectural Studies), then the 2-year MArch. To get registered as an architect, that will need at least 2 years of local architecture work experience for the logbook, then take the APE written exam and interview (APE is the Australian equivalent to the PRC board exam for architecture). So that's going to be 5 years of full-time study, then a few more years to get registered.

I do know University of Melbourne has a 3-year full-time MArch stream, so people who don't have a bachelor degree in architecture can go straight into the MArch. However, the minimum entry requirement requires having done 1 design studio and 1 history subject (related to art, architecture, built environment, design) during the undergrad. I am assuming the design studio experience requirement is kind of proof that prospective applicants are aware of how the design studio runs? Maybe your husband can contact UniMelb directly to inquire on whether he will be eligible to get admission in that program.

Thank you po. Halos ganito nga rin po ang pagkakaintindi namin. Ang haba ng 6yrs na part time study. Will it take him to places kaya sa industry kung kumuha sya ng Diploma of Interior Design sa Tafe? 2yrs lang kasi yun.

athelene · August 2022

@jakibantiles said:
Thank you po. Halos ganito nga rin po ang pagkakaintindi namin. Ang haba ng 6yrs na part time study. Will it take him to places kaya sa industry kung kumuha sya ng Diploma of Interior Design sa Tafe? 2yrs lang kasi yun.

Ano ba ang end goal nya? To design small-scale residential projects? If so, don't do Diploma of Interior Design unless interior design talaga ang habol nya. If designing small-scale residential projects ang gusto nya, mas ok na Diploma of Building Design siya, para Building Designer ang work nya. Depending on where he will study, baka pwede nya muna kunin yung Cert 4 in Residential Drafting, then move on to the Diploma, so maybe around 2 years full-time study lang. Most likely work nya after grad would be draftsperson or technician, working under a Building Designer. Check nyo nalang sa state nyo kung regulated ba ang Building Designer sa state nyo, kasi baka kailangan din magparegister if he wants to set up his own practice (like in QLD).

As a Building Designer, limited ang scope/scale na pwede nila gawin, like mga single-detached residences, small warehouse/industrial units, garage/shed. If mas complex projects ang gusto nya i-design (like hospitals, commercial buildings, condo, etc.), dapat architecture degree ang kunin nya kasi magkaiba talaga ang training ng archi sa building designer.

tellieboo · August 2022

Hello! My husband and I are planning to apply for Australian Visa Subclass 190. Si Husband ang primary applicant. 8 years na siya as an Architect. Ang plan niya i apply is Architectural Draftsperson.

Ask lang, before we proceed sa VETASSESS (just making sure ang mahal din kasi ng assessment, also DIY rin)

He worked as draftsman sa isang company around 2012-2013, and wala na siya copy ng payslip, enough na ba ang Statement of Service as proof?
He also worked as instructor sa school where he graduated, iccount kaya siya ng VETASSESS? Or depends sa kung anong subject?
From 2015 up to present, contractor na siya private practice that means he’s self-employed, ano po kaya ang proof na pwede namin i submit to prove na he’s self employed throughout those years? Meron business registration/DTI po.

We just recently found this forum. Hope you guys could help us! Thank you so much.

juju06 · August 2022

@tellieboo said:
Hello! My husband and I are planning to apply for Australian Visa Subclass 190. Si Husband ang primary applicant. 8 years na siya as an Architect. Ang plan niya i apply is Architectural Draftsperson.

Ask lang, before we proceed sa VETASSESS (just making sure ang mahal din kasi ng assessment, also DIY rin)

He worked as draftsman sa isang company around 2012-2013, and wala na siya copy ng payslip, enough na ba ang Statement of Service as proof?

He also worked as instructor sa school where he graduated, iccount kaya siya ng VETASSESS? Or depends sa kung anong subject?

From 2015 up to present, contractor na siya private practice that means he’s self-employed, ano po kaya ang proof na pwede namin i submit to prove na he’s self employed throughout those years? Meron business registration/DTI po.

We just recently found this forum. Hope you guys could help us! Thank you so much.

Can't give feedback on #s 1&3, but for #2, I have the same teaching experience in my career but it did not count towards my relevant engineering experience since there is a different skilled occupation for University Lecturer. You may still try to have it assessed though, just be prepared for it to not count.

RheaMARN1171933 · August 2022

@tellieboo said:
Hello! My husband and I are planning to apply for Australian Visa Subclass 190. Si Husband ang primary applicant. 8 years na siya as an Architect. Ang plan niya i apply is Architectural Draftsperson.

Ask lang, before we proceed sa VETASSESS (just making sure ang mahal din kasi ng assessment, also DIY rin)

He worked as draftsman sa isang company around 2012-2013, and wala na siya copy ng payslip, enough na ba ang Statement of Service as proof?

He also worked as instructor sa school where he graduated, iccount kaya siya ng VETASSESS? Or depends sa kung anong subject?

From 2015 up to present, contractor na siya private practice that means he’s self-employed, ano po kaya ang proof na pwede namin i submit to prove na he’s self employed throughout those years? Meron business registration/DTI po.

We just recently found this forum. Hope you guys could help us! Thank you so much.

1 you need pay evidence. Payslip isn’t the only way to prove it. Refer to the guideline

2 not relevant to the nominated occupation

3 there is a guide on the website for self employment. All the answers are there

tellieboo · August 2022

@RheaMARN1171933 said:

@tellieboo said:
Hello! My husband and I are planning to apply for Australian Visa Subclass 190. Si Husband ang primary applicant. 8 years na siya as an Architect. Ang plan niya i apply is Architectural Draftsperson.

Ask lang, before we proceed sa VETASSESS (just making sure ang mahal din kasi ng assessment, also DIY rin)

He worked as draftsman sa isang company around 2012-2013, and wala na siya copy ng payslip, enough na ba ang Statement of Service as proof?

He also worked as instructor sa school where he graduated, iccount kaya siya ng VETASSESS? Or depends sa kung anong subject?

From 2015 up to present, contractor na siya private practice that means he’s self-employed, ano po kaya ang proof na pwede namin i submit to prove na he’s self employed throughout those years? Meron business registration/DTI po.

We just recently found this forum. Hope you guys could help us! Thank you so much.

1 you need pay evidence. Payslip isn’t the only way to prove it. Refer to the guideline

2 not relevant to the nominated occupation

3 there is a guide on the website for self employment. All the answers are there

Thank you so much, Ma’am! Ngayon ko lang nakita yung update regarding self-employed applicants. Thank you!

keruchan · September 2022

Anyone here who recently received grant or currently waiting for one? Been waiting for 3 yrs and I just received invitation from Vic 190. Just wanted to check any updates for 312111, sobrang inactive kasi dito

heneraluna · September 2022

Hi @keruchan , wala din ako nababalitaan na nagragrant na ka-arki natin.
Ilan po pala points nio sa Vic 190? Thanks

keruchan · September 2022

@heneraluna said:
Hi @keruchan , wala din ako nababalitaan na nagragrant na ka-arki natin.
Ilan po pala points nio sa Vic 190? Thanks

@heneraluna 95 total

Age: 30
English: 20
Educ: 15
State: 5
Exp: 15
Partner: 10

Anong stage ka na sa application mo?

heneraluna · September 2022

Nakapaglodge na po ako NSW 491

gerchitect · September 2022

Hello po Kabayan, I'm seeking advice po regarding Architectural, Building and Surveying Technician "NEC" po for Subclass 190/491 application po.

UNDER VETASSESS- REQUIREMENTS po
Paano po yung process sa Cover letter na Rationale daw po for NEC? Ano po dapat ilagay? Salamat po in advanced,. God bless po! 🙂

gerchitect · September 2022

Hello po Kabayan, I'm seeking advice po regarding Architectural, Building and Surveying Technician "NEC" po for Subclass 190/491 application po.

UNDER VETASSESS- REQUIREMENTS po
Paano po yung process sa Cover letter na Rationale daw po for NEC? Ano po dapat ilagay? Salamat po in advanced,. God bless po! 🙂

rukawa_11 · January 2023

Hello po, it's my first post here pero halos 3 years na po yung mga EOI ko as Architectural Draftsperson and I have 70 points for 190 visa. Gusto ko lang po sana malaman if may pag-asa pa po kaya kaming mga 70 points na ma-invite? may mga kakilala po ba kayo with this same points, occupation and visa at na-invite parin? Mejo nakakawalan narin po kasi ng pag-asa minsan eh.. salamat po sa mga sasagot.

Makuneru · January 2023

@rukawa_11 said:
Hello po, it's my first post here pero halos 3 years na po yung mga EOI ko as Architectural Draftsperson and I have 70 points for 190 visa. Gusto ko lang po sana malaman if may pag-asa pa po kaya kaming mga 70 points na ma-invite? may mga kakilala po ba kayo with this same points, occupation and visa at na-invite parin? Mejo nakakawalan narin po kasi ng pag-asa minsan eh.. salamat po sa mga sasagot.

Validity po ng EOI is 2 years lang. So most likely po expired na yung EOI po ninyo. I would suggest na gawa po kayo ulit ng bagong EOI for SC189(since madami din pong naiinvite na 65pts) and EOI for 190 na hiwalay for the state na gusto po ninyo.
Wag po kayo mawalan ng pagasa malaki po ang chance ninyo mainvite.
If I may quote po sabi ni @RheaMARN1171933 "it’s not more of the points now it’s more of how soon you can lodge your EOI!"

Hope for the best po

rukawa_11 · January 2023

@Makuneru said:

@rukawa_11 said:
Hello po, it's my first post here pero halos 3 years na po yung mga EOI ko as Architectural Draftsperson and I have 70 points for 190 visa. Gusto ko lang po sana malaman if may pag-asa pa po kaya kaming mga 70 points na ma-invite? may mga kakilala po ba kayo with this same points, occupation and visa at na-invite parin? Mejo nakakawalan narin po kasi ng pag-asa minsan eh.. salamat po sa mga sasagot.

Validity po ng EOI is 2 years lang. So most likely po expired na yung EOI po ninyo. I would suggest na gawa po kayo ulit ng bagong EOI for SC189(since madami din pong naiinvite na 65pts) and EOI for 190 na hiwalay for the state na gusto po ninyo.
Wag po kayo mawalan ng pagasa malaki po ang chance ninyo mainvite.
If I may quote po sabi ni @RheaMARN1171933 "it’s not more of the points now it’s more of how soon you can lodge your EOI!"

Hope for the best po

what I meant was in a span of 3 years, ilang beses na po ako nag-submit ng EOI. Actually, kakasubmit ko lang po ulet kahapon. Mejo nakaka-frustrate lang po kasi kaya napatanong ako ng ganito.

Nakita ko po sa isang thread na na-invite kayo recetly at 75 points kung di ako nagkakamali? Congrats po sa inyo! At salamat po sa encouragement.

Makuneru · January 2023

@rukawa_11 said:
what I meant was in a span of 3 years, ilang beses na po ako nag-submit ng EOI. Actually, kakasubmit ko lang po ulet kahapon. Mejo nakaka-frustrate lang po kasi kaya napatanong ako ng ganito.

Nakita ko po sa isang thread na na-invite kayo recetly at 75 points kung di ako nagkakamali? Congrats po sa inyo! At salamat po sa encouragement.

oh okay po. hopefully po this month base sa trend ng visa 189 invites magkarron ng invitation round and mainvite na din po kayo and iba nating mga kabayan

ah yes po nainvite na din po ng VIC SC190. salamat po.

jinigirl · January 2023

@rukawa_11 said:

@Makuneru said:

@rukawa_11 said:
Hello po, it's my first post here pero halos 3 years na po yung mga EOI ko as Architectural Draftsperson and I have 70 points for 190 visa. Gusto ko lang po sana malaman if may pag-asa pa po kaya kaming mga 70 points na ma-invite? may mga kakilala po ba kayo with this same points, occupation and visa at na-invite parin? Mejo nakakawalan narin po kasi ng pag-asa minsan eh.. salamat po sa mga sasagot.

Validity po ng EOI is 2 years lang. So most likely po expired na yung EOI po ninyo. I would suggest na gawa po kayo ulit ng bagong EOI for SC189(since madami din pong naiinvite na 65pts) and EOI for 190 na hiwalay for the state na gusto po ninyo.
Wag po kayo mawalan ng pagasa malaki po ang chance ninyo mainvite.
If I may quote po sabi ni @RheaMARN1171933 "it’s not more of the points now it’s more of how soon you can lodge your EOI!"

Hope for the best po

what I meant was in a span of 3 years, ilang beses na po ako nag-submit ng EOI. Actually, kakasubmit ko lang po ulet kahapon. Mejo nakaka-frustrate lang po kasi kaya napatanong ako ng ganito.

Nakita ko po sa isang thread na na-invite kayo recetly at 75 points kung di ako nagkakamali? Congrats po sa inyo! At salamat po sa encouragement.

may way pa ba na pwede pa tumaas yung points mo? like sa English exam?

rukawa_11 · January 2023

@jinigirl said:

@rukawa_11 said:

@Makuneru said:

@rukawa_11 said:
Hello po, it's my first post here pero halos 3 years na po yung mga EOI ko as Architectural Draftsperson and I have 70 points for 190 visa. Gusto ko lang po sana malaman if may pag-asa pa po kaya kaming mga 70 points na ma-invite? may mga kakilala po ba kayo with this same points, occupation and visa at na-invite parin? Mejo nakakawalan narin po kasi ng pag-asa minsan eh.. salamat po sa mga sasagot.

Validity po ng EOI is 2 years lang. So most likely po expired na yung EOI po ninyo. I would suggest na gawa po kayo ulit ng bagong EOI for SC189(since madami din pong naiinvite na 65pts) and EOI for 190 na hiwalay for the state na gusto po ninyo.
Wag po kayo mawalan ng pagasa malaki po ang chance ninyo mainvite.
If I may quote po sabi ni @RheaMARN1171933 "it’s not more of the points now it’s more of how soon you can lodge your EOI!"

Hope for the best po

what I meant was in a span of 3 years, ilang beses na po ako nag-submit ng EOI. Actually, kakasubmit ko lang po ulet kahapon. Mejo nakaka-frustrate lang po kasi kaya napatanong ako ng ganito.

Nakita ko po sa isang thread na na-invite kayo recetly at 75 points kung di ako nagkakamali? Congrats po sa inyo! At salamat po sa encouragement.

may way pa ba na pwede pa tumaas yung points mo? like sa English exam?

kaka-check ko lang ngayon, pde pa ako maging 75 points pag nakakkuha ng competent english yung wife ko sa exam. Pero other than that, unfortunately, wala na. Superior na kasi yung english ko kaso inabutan ako ng age milestone last Dec na 40 yrs old so nabawasan ako ng 10 points sa age.

Makuneru · January 2023

@rukawa_11 said:
kaka-check ko lang ngayon, pde pa ako maging 75 points pag nakakkuha ng competent english yung wife ko sa exam. Pero other than that, unfortunately, wala na. Superior na kasi yung english ko kaso inabutan ako ng age milestone last Dec na 40 yrs old so nabawasan ako ng 10 points sa age.

ayun malaking bagay din po yung 5 points for competent english ni partner.
NAATI/CCL po kaya for additional 5pts?

rukawa_11 · January 2023

@Makuneru said:

@rukawa_11 said:
kaka-check ko lang ngayon, pde pa ako maging 75 points pag nakakkuha ng competent english yung wife ko sa exam. Pero other than that, unfortunately, wala na. Superior na kasi yung english ko kaso inabutan ako ng age milestone last Dec na 40 yrs old so nabawasan ako ng 10 points sa age.

ayun malaking bagay din po yung 5 points for competent english ni partner.
NAATI/CCL po kaya for additional 5pts?

Kinonsider ko rin yan NAATI/CCL pero umatras ako initially dahil parang complicated nung ni-rerersearch ko. Salamat sa pagbanggit nito, na-encourage tuloy ako na i-consider ulet yan. Nakita ko just now yung thread tungkol jan at babasahin ko muna. Sayang nga naman pampataas din ng points.

Makuneru · January 2023

@rukawa_11 said:
Kinonsider ko rin yan NAATI/CCL pero umatras ako initially dahil parang complicated nung ni-rerersearch ko. Salamat sa pagbanggit nito, na-encourage tuloy ako na i-consider ulet yan. Nakita ko just now yung thread tungkol jan at babasahin ko muna. Sayang nga naman pampataas din ng points.

Yes po. Sayang din additional 5 pts.

era222 · January 2023

@rukawa_11 said:

@Makuneru said:

@rukawa_11 said:
kaka-check ko lang ngayon, pde pa ako maging 75 points pag nakakkuha ng competent english yung wife ko sa exam. Pero other than that, unfortunately, wala na. Superior na kasi yung english ko kaso inabutan ako ng age milestone last Dec na 40 yrs old so nabawasan ako ng 10 points sa age.

ayun malaking bagay din po yung 5 points for competent english ni partner.
NAATI/CCL po kaya for additional 5pts?

Kinonsider ko rin yan NAATI/CCL pero umatras ako initially dahil parang complicated nung ni-rerersearch ko. Salamat sa pagbanggit nito, na-encourage tuloy ako na i-consider ulet yan. Nakita ko just now yung thread tungkol jan at babasahin ko muna. Sayang nga naman pampataas din ng points.

It's actually doable. Ang setup ng exam is you would translate English -> Filipino and then Filipino -> English. The only challenging part is yung mismong pagsasanay para mahasa ka sa test-taking. I was in the same position of being intimidated by the exam, but if kaya ng budget mo, go for it! The 10-day CCL course was super helpful to me. Although may nakita rin naman akong ibang DIY lang ang pag-aaral.

rukawa_11 · January 2023

@era222 said:

@rukawa_11 said:

@Makuneru said:

@rukawa_11 said:
kaka-check ko lang ngayon, pde pa ako maging 75 points pag nakakkuha ng competent english yung wife ko sa exam. Pero other than that, unfortunately, wala na. Superior na kasi yung english ko kaso inabutan ako ng age milestone last Dec na 40 yrs old so nabawasan ako ng 10 points sa age.

ayun malaking bagay din po yung 5 points for competent english ni partner.
NAATI/CCL po kaya for additional 5pts?

Kinonsider ko rin yan NAATI/CCL pero umatras ako initially dahil parang complicated nung ni-rerersearch ko. Salamat sa pagbanggit nito, na-encourage tuloy ako na i-consider ulet yan. Nakita ko just now yung thread tungkol jan at babasahin ko muna. Sayang nga naman pampataas din ng points.

It's actually doable. Ang setup ng exam is you would translate English -> Filipino and then Filipino -> English. The only challenging part is yung mismong pagsasanay para mahasa ka sa test-taking. I was in the same position of being intimidated by the exam, but if kaya ng budget mo, go for it! The 10-day CCL course was super helpful to me. Although may nakita rin naman akong ibang DIY lang ang pag-aaral.

salamat po for this insight. will explore it more.

athelene · January 2023

@rukawa_11 said:
Kinonsider ko rin yan NAATI/CCL pero umatras ako initially dahil parang complicated nung ni-rerersearch ko. Salamat sa pagbanggit nito, na-encourage tuloy ako na i-consider ulet yan. Nakita ko just now yung thread tungkol jan at babasahin ko muna. Sayang nga naman pampataas din ng points.

As what most people would do, they would try to max out the points available for them. So if you can still gain points with your wife's English proficiency and NAATI, maybe do that. Have you maxed out the points for overseas work experience?

It's a given that it will cost you more money to do more English exam and the NAATI, but it's really up to you if you're willing to wait for invites for those with low points. Very few states are open to sponsor architectural draftsperson under visa 190. If you were onshore, you can get more points by studying or working onshore.