Australian Computer Society Skills Application

guenb

@prcand inisip ko na lang pagsubok lang to, lol. will try my luck sa ielts april 30, sana naman last na to, girl ako

prcand

@guenb oh.. sorry... madam pala

guenb

@prcand ok lang nman, haha , nga pala napansin ko nag-ask pa additional documents sayo, like what? and nakailang days na bago nag-ask, if naalala mo pa... thanks.

prcand

@guenb two days after lodging, hiningi agad. updated version lang ng reference letter of current company, kasi ung sinubmit ko was almost 6 months old.

take note though, very particular sila about sa format ng "work reference" letter. if possible, kelangan mo i-follow ano nakasulat including key words "fulltime", "permanent", "based in [country]", etc

sc_march

@guenb yes including weekend na yun sis. Wala na sila nirequire additional docs sakin pero it took longer time pa rin compared to others. Re-assessment din sakin, 2014 ako first nagpa-assess parang 5 days lang my result na. My hinihingi ba sila additional docs?

guenb

@sc_march yung sakin kasi nagkataon na holiday pa ng 2days, then weekend. Wala naman nirequest na addtl docs so abangers talaga ako sa result this week.

guenb

@prcand @sc_march @rich88 @racer06 hi guys update lang I received my result today, thank you sa mga input nio. Okay so unsuitable, pero dahil lang sa kulang ako around 7months. Mas maganda sana kung na credit din yung isang work episode ko pero I'm thinking pa kung epa review ko or huwag na lang. Antayin ko na lang mag October 2016. Okay so here's a summary:

You have been assessed as not meeting the requirements for professional information technology experience of four (4) years in a field closely related to your nominated skilled occupation.

Your qualification has been assessed as not closely related to your nominated occupation:
Your Bachelor of Science in Computer Engineering from University of St. La Salle completed
March 2007 has been assessed as comparable to an AQF Bachelor Degree with a major in
computing.

Credited Employment:
Dates: 10/12 - 12/14 (2yrs 2mths)
Dates: 12/14 - 03/16 (1yrs 3mths)

So tama naman ako diba na 7months na lang antayin? Thank you.

rich88

@guenb hello, mas ok kung pasobrahan mo kahit 1 month lang para sure na sure na lagpas ka na ng 4 years. Opinion ko lang..

Curious lang.. hindi ba related sa nominated occupation mo yung experience mo from 2007 to 2012?

guenb

@rich88 yun nga kaya nag-iisip ako na ipa review or not. Eto kasi nkalagay, and note those 2 references eh galing sa former managers ko. Yung naging okay eh galing naman sa HR na reference. May bearing kaya yun?:

Dates: 05/07 - 03/08 (0yrs 0mths)
Not Professional ICT Level Experience

Dates: 03/08 - 10/12 (0yrs 0mths)
Not Professional ICT Level Experience

Or wala na tlaga chance pag ganyan? Nag-iisip ako kung ung galing HR din yung ipasa ko na docs for those 2 emp episodes. Thanks. Sayang din kasi yung $395 kung di din pala okay yung review...

prcand

@guenb diba pwede i-email mo muna sila why the decision was such? wag review / reassess, baka magreply sila sa reason (ie, dapat HR not former managers, or ung format, etc)

rich88

If I may ask, ano yung role na nilagay mo from 2007 to 2012? Statutory declarations ba yung mga yun or reference na may company letterhead?

Pwede mo naman sila i-email kung bakit hindi na-credit yung previous exp mo from 2007 to 2012. In my experience, sumagot naman sila agad.

Hindi ko na rin kasi tinuloy yung reappeal ko dahil may mga subjects sila na hinahanap na wala talaga ako. Masasayang lang yung $395 ko.

philipjds

Hello!

Very inspiring mga posts dito. I too am planning to have my skills assessed by ACS.

Question, sa statutory declaration, kailangan ba na yun pag notarize is in the same country as the one who signed it? Problem ko kasi is that my previous team lead is in the US, willing naman siya gumawa ng stat dec, pero nakakahiya na siya pa ang magpa notarize dun.

TIA!

guenb

@rich88 2007-2012 are references from former managers (still in the company) with company letterhead.
@prcand ayun na ni-email ko sana mag respond. Pero tama naman diba na pag lumabas to:

Dates: 10/12 - 12/14 (2yrs 2mths)
Dates: 12/14 - 03/16 (1yrs 3mths)

Meaning yan yung suitable employments? Thanks talaga sa inputs nio.

prcand

@guenb sir po ako tama, ung nasa bracket ay siya ung credited as work exprience / suitable employment. btw, if it makes you feel better... pareho tayo ng NOC, 4 years din bawas sa akin kahit isko ako at compsci

guenb

@prcand haha ayun edited na, yes positive pa din nga yung outlook ko, at least mag-aantay na lang ako ng months. Anyway, hahabol pa naman ako sa IELTS, so kapit lang. Thank you!

rich88

@philipjds bro, depende yan sa lawyer na maglalagay ng stamp ng statutory declaration. Pag matino kasi yung lawyer, irerequire nya na pipirma sa harap nya mismo yung manager mo dun sa statutory declaration.

Ganyan din actually yung problem ko before, overseas na yung manager ko. Mabuti nlng meron syang natagong template ng company letterhead.

What I can suggest is ikaw na yung gumawa ng statutory declaration, tapos sya na ang magpa-stamp sa US. Although nakakahiya dahil hassle sa kanya, yan lang talaga ang legal na paraan na naiisip ko.

Another option is, baka meron kang template ng letterhead ng previous company mo. If meron, ikaw na gumawa ng reference tapos email mo sa kanya yung ginawa mo. Then after affixing the signature, ipa-LBC mo pabalik sa yo.

ichi_pestano

@guenb so more on sa work experience po kaya nabawasan?

rich88

@guenb oo yan nga yung suitable employment.

If may company letterhead naman pala, I guess dapat i-contest mo thru email muna para walang bayad. Sayang rin eh. If talagang may valid reason sila kung bakit d nila na-count, at least alam mo kung bakit. Transparent naman sila sa mga answers nila sa mga inquiries based on my experience.

ichi_pestano

@rich88 @guenb Two years minimum po yung deduction usually? So it means po ba na if 4 years minimum requirement ng nominated skill, dapat at least 6 years yung work exp para medyo sure?

Eto po yung case ko.
Course: BS Information Management (UST)
Work: Mag 6 years sa June (technology consultant with BA/SA kind of roles)

rich88

@ichi_pestano Yes, 2 years minimum. If 4 years ang minimum requirement na na-assess ng ACS sayo, dapat greater than or equal to 4 years ang relevant experience mo.

Sa case mo, since UST is a section 1 school, most likely bachelor's degree ang assessment sayo. Tapos Information Management is related sa BA, so best case scenario eh 2 years lang ang ibawas sayo. Pag minalas, 4 years. Dito ko nakuha yung list of PH schools by section: http://pinoyau.info/plugin/page/accredited-schools/U

Ako mejo malas, 4 years binawas sa akin kasi sa software testing ako tapos computer engineering ang course ko. If you want, you can check sa ACS site kung anong course ang kelangan nila for BA, tapos i-cross check mo dun sa TOR mo. if >65% ng subjects mo eh nandun sa list nila, mejo safe ka na nun.

Hope this helps..

prcand

@ichi_pestano walang rule of thumb na two years minus agad agad. depends sa course (core units) mo at ano ung ina-applyan mo na NOC.

if BA ka, tapos info management graduate, baka nga walang bawas eh. pero pag BA ka, tapos compsci, 4 years ang bawas.

if developer ka naman, tapos compsci, pwede walang bawas.

guenb

@ichi_pestano i agree with @prcand and @rich88 ,in your case kung 6years ka na pwede na tlaga magpa-assess. Pag 2 years lang bawas sayu, at least may makukuha ka points for experience. If -4 naman para sakin okay na din, as long as suitable yung result. Bawi na lang sa iba like IELTS or PTE. Meron dati BSIT tapos BA sia, 2 years lang bawas, pero depende kasi tlaga sa subjects.

rich88

@prcand bro meron ba talagang instances na walang bawas? ang swerte naman kung ganon.
Based sa ACS criteria (https://www.acs.org.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/7324/Summary-of-Criteria-2014.pdf), ang wala lang bawas eh yung mga nasa AU nag aral mismo.

ichi_pestano

@rich88 Hi! Mas mag-matter po ba yung subjects kaysa sa course title? Information Management kasi yung course ko, nagpalit lang to Information Systems after ko naka-graduate.

rich88

@ichi_pestano hmm.. i think mas tinitingnan nila yung subjects na nasa TOR talaga. I suggest na magpa assess ka na dahil enough na yung work experience mo at related naman ang course mo sa occupation mo na BA. I think magka batch ata tayo, 6 years experience rin ako this coming July.

ichi_pestano

@rich88 Thank you! Kinakabahan po kasi ako sa assessment. San po makikita yung required years ng experience para maging suitable? Parang wala dun sa PDF na guideline ni ACS.

rich88

@ichi_pestano Andito: https://www.acs.org.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/7324/Summary-of-Criteria-2014.pdf

2010 ako nag graduate, so if magkabatch tayo, i think magiging suitable naman yung assessment mo. Worst case is -4 years experience lang siguro.

Ako rin kinabahan ako that time, pero naisip ko na hindi matatanggal ang kaba mo if hindi ka pa mag papa-assess. The thought will linger on your mind until you take the leap of faith. Take the first step then everything will fall into place.

prcand

@rich88 yep, kaibigan ko. Ateneo compsci. Dev NOC niya

rich88

@prcand wow.. Pwede pala yun. Ayos!

ichi_pestano

@rich88 Thank you. Yep, that's the only way to know.

Same batch nga tayo. Question on the statement below.

"2 years relevant work experience completed in the
last 10 years or 4 years relevant work experience
completed anytime in past work history"

Minimum 2 to 4 years, right? Nalilito rin ako sa ICT Minor and Major.