Bakit Australia?

Boyolo

@Li_i_ren and @sheep you both have your relevant points. I implore you guys to know that each and everyone of us is entitled to his or her own opinion. As such, we should respect the other party's view.
For me personally, I support Li_i_ren's positions.

LokiJr

Yep, pareho naman silang may punto Let's just make sure the discussions don't blow out of proportion hehe

TasBurrfoot

chills guys...

at the end of the day, you make your own decision... so hayaan niyo na ang opinions ng isa't isa.

but yeah just like Boyolo, I support @li_i_ren's opinion.

lock_code2004

tama.. mahusay ang talakayan..napakinggan ang bawat panig..
sa bandang huli, tayo ang magdedesisyon kung anu ang naayon sa ating sariling paniniwala, pananaw, kagustuhan at hangarin sa buhay...

walang masamang sa pagtulong..
walang masama sa pagbalik sa ating bansang sinilangan..
walang masama sa pag-alis dahil sa hanangarin ng mas magandang bukas..
"Walang himala!! Ang himala ay nasa puso ng tao, nasa puso nating lahat! Tayo ang gumagawa ng mga himala! Tayo ang gumagawa ng mga sumpa at ng mga diyos..." - Elsa /Nora Aunor - Himala, 1982


mabuhay ang pinoy!!

icebreaker1928

ano bang summary ng talakayan?
tinatamad talaga ako magbasa hehehe...
pero kung ako tatanungin..

Every man for himself: Everyone has to fight for his or her own survival.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Every+man+for+himself

pare-pareho tyo binigyan ng 24oras... nasa sa atin yun kung pano natin gagamitin.
Hindi masama tumulong pero ang masama ay umasa lang ng umasa.
Yun lang bow

icebreaker1928

lahat nyan type ko sa mobile lang!!! hahahahaha!!! ang hirap...pero i never back down from an argument ! hahahaha:D i can spend the whole day not talking even at work..12 hours nasa cubicle lang ng patiente ko..pero if i have something to stay you better grab coffee cause it's going to be a long discussion:P hahahahaha!

wow!!! you have all the time in the world hehehe...

aldousnow

Basta ko side ako kay @Alona, sa PAGIBIG pa din.
ay teka.. mali ata ko ng discussion na napost-an. :-/ :P

icebreaker1928

Basta ko side ako kay @Alona, sa PAGIBIG pa din.
ay teka.. mali ata ko ng discussion na napost-an. :-/ :P

huy, naliligaw ka, dun ka sa PAGIBIG thread magpost hahaha

Alona

@aldousnow and @icebreaker1928, ang random nyong dalawa )

JClem

Anong meron?

Eto lang sagot dyan, @lil_i_ren and @sheep, follow your heart. :x

LokiJr

Ang mahalaga lang naman bilang Pilipino, mahalin mo yung pinanggalingan mo kahit malayo na narating mo. Saka hangga't maari mag-isip ng paraan para makatulong sa iba.

If you have both checked, it does not matter anymore if you go back to the Philippines or not

LittleBoyBlue

tingnan ko na lang resulta ng Toto mamaya, ang haba nung discussion, di ako makahabol.

kenkoy

ngek! :-/ tapos na? sayang, nagpabili pa naman ako ng popcorn. b-(

o sya, since tapos na, makinig kayong lahaaaaat, as in.

lahat kayo, talo sa lolo ko. okay!? :-\"

ang thread, bakit sa australia? tanong ko, bakit sa australia isa lang ang nakita kong may simulcast ng pacquiao v marquez? saan kayo nood, live ha? :-/

LokiJr

^ Big thing din ba sa Australia ang boxing? hehe

hotshot

@kenkoy : hindi po ba available sa mga PPV ng cable companies dyan sa oz?

kenkoy

bad thing, wala pa kami cable kaya malabo ang PPV. next time na lang daw cable after feb next year. may big plan kasi kami mag transfer. besides, walang ingay ang boxing dito. boxing day, meron sa 26 dec. @-)

ngek! looks hindi tuloy ung plano namin sa sunday manood sa isang league club. may OT ang junior at may concern ako na dapat asikasuhin agad. shayang!

Boyolo

This might be out of context anyway, but let us all spare a moment for all those who lost their lives in the typhoon tragedy that occurred in Philipines. May their souls rest in peace and may the Lord comfort their loved ones left behind.

LokiJr

re:pacquiao-marquezMay live stream naman po tulad ng TVU Player
re: Pablo - yeah Thank God the storm's on its way out of the country

rara_avis

Interesting discussion. I also agree with @li_i_ren, that is exactly how I feel after living in SG for almost 4 years but I also understand @sheep's sentiments, iba pa rin naman talaga sa pinas... parang yung asawa ko lang, ayaw i-give up ang filipino citizenship nya if ever mabigyan ng chance, hanggang dual citizenship lang daw kaya nya. Honestly, tanggalin na natin ang emotional ties... I see no real benefits in being a filipino citizen, batuhin nyo na ako but that is how I feel.

@sheep regarding sa english comment ni @li_i_ren, di naman nya sinabi na dapat mag-english ka. Ang ibig sabihin lang nya is maganda yung argument mo kaya kung exam lang to sa IELTS panigurado mataas ang score mo. Chill lang tayong lahat, Christmas na!

LokiJr

Tingin ko nag-english lang si @li_i_ren kasi mobile phone gamit niya kaya auto-spelling siya magtype

RobertSG

Nice, ang summary ko jan ay positivism(@sheep) vs realism(@li_i_ren), parang sa IELTS reading, magbigay ng title, sorry I digress Hehe. Going back, I will try to be a combination of both, and my opinion will be called Idealism (panggulo lang).

Note: "What's ideal to me might not be ideal to you"

Harhar!

LokiJr

Hehe ceasefire na tayo diyan...at least nalabas nila yung saloobin nila..pareho namang tama e

sheep

sorry if i am too emotional but i can't hold my feelings,i think that the hardship and survival (maybe political or family) poverty that we experience in our country is the one ingredient that we used to excell in our new life,in the religion side it's a blessing's purpose..As i said before this is what i believe and i don't want to influence the personal belive of every filipino.

To rara-avis you are correct,i'm very sorry to li ren nagkataon lang na nagluluto ako kaya di ko naisip masyado ang regarding sa english comment niya...

Thought,I am not too proud to be involve in one debate or discussion that i may hurt the other's opinion but circumstances dictates me to do this,how ever to li-ren if i hurt you in other way i'm very very sory from the bottom of my heart and hope we are still be friend and ready to give advices and help to our kababayan even we belong in different side and sorry also if i used some uncomfort words for you...or in cebuano..."""pasay lua lang ko..."""maybe I owe you a coffe

Lastly, i just wanna share you a summary advies from alex lacson from his books....entitled

12 little things every filipino can do to help our country




ALEX LACSON’S 12 THINGS
By Ducky Paredes
Malaya
Monday, 31 December 2007


ALEXANDER LEDESMA LACSON is a lawyer who does a lot of pro bono work. He is also, like myself, a member of the Rotary Club of Pasig. Alex’s notoriety comes from having written a book that is simple, honest and so easily understood. If you have not done so yet, get a copy of Alex’s book: “12 LITTLE THINGS EVERY FILIPINO CAN DO TO HELP OUR COUNTRY.”
It is not even a book but really just a pamphlet of a little over 100 pages.

Here are Alex Lacson’s 12 little things that if all of us – and that includes our national leaders – take them to heart and apply them to our personal lives, ought to make a great difference for the Philippines:

1. Follow traffic rules. Follow the law.
2. Whenever you buy or pay for anything, always ask for an official receipt
3. Do not buy smuggled goods. Buy local, Buy Filipino
4. When you talk to others, especially foreigners, speak positively about us and our country
5. Respect your traffic officer, policemen and soldier
6. Do not Litter. Dispose your Garbage Properly. Segregate. Recycle. Conserve
7. Support your Church
8. During elections, do your solemn duty
9. Pay your employees well
10. Pay your taxes
11. Adopt a Scholar, or Adopt a poor child
12. Be a good parent. Teach your kids to follow the law & to love our country

That is not really too hard to do, is it?
Or so it seems. But think about it. Do we all follow the law when, more often than not, the attitude of those who have more in life is that they also have a right to have more in everything, even to the privilege of breaking the law when it is convenient? Ramon Magsaysay, arguably our best ever President, said the exact opposite: “Those who have more in life should have less in law.”
Wouldn’t life be much better if all of us were to follow the law strictly and abide by what the Mayor of Manila says: “The law applies to everyone or none at all.” Not too grammatical but very precise and right on the nose.
The next eleven are easier to do except, the fifth one. Our problem with our traffic officers, policemen and soldiers is that they seem overly impressed with the importance of just about everyone in the upper middle classes and up. While this is a blessing to those in those classes, think about what this does to law enforcement.
Our police and the military must be impressed with the taught that, in enforcing our laws, they must treat everyone in the same way. A rich man’s son whose vehicle runs over a pedestrian ought to be treated in the same way as the policeman treats a truck, taxi or jeepney driver who had the same sort of accident. For this to happen, the respect for the enforcer must come from the top. If those in the top rung of government cannot be stopped, questioned or arrested, why should those who have houses in upscale subdivisions and have oodles of money be treated and differently?


*****


Alex Lacson also has 10 tips for our OFWs and other Pinoys abroad:
1. Spend your vacation, your dollars and other foreign currencies, in our Philippines. Visit other countries, too but do spend time and your money in the Philippines.
2. Encourage and teach your relatives back home to be good citizens and good Filipinos.
3. All OFW’s, Balikbayan and Pinoy Espats should do more during elections in RP. Tell your relatives back home who you think is best for the country.
4. Buy Pilipino, wherever you are in the world.
5. Adopt a poor child as a scholar back home.
6. Support a charitable organization. There are many good charitable organizations that truly help build our Philippines to become a better place for all of us. Alex recommends: Gawad Kalinga, Pondo ng Pinoy, Caritas Manila and World Vision, among others.
7. Teach your children about the Philippines and to love it and its people.
8. Speak positively about our Philippines and our people.
9. If you are remitting funds to your relatives in the Philippines, teach them to save 15 or 20 percent of the funds.
10. Invest in the Philippines


*****


How did Alex Lacson get to the point of writing his book? Here’s how, in his own words:
“Five years ago, my wife and I seriously thought of leaving the country because the Philippines seemed hopeless at that time, as it is now. But instead of leaving the country, we decided to stay. But at the same time, my wife and I decided to do every little thing that we can do to help our country.
I refer to Good Citizenship. And this is the heat and soul of my book.
“My thesis in writing this book on 12 little things is simply this – that a great part of the solution to our country’s problems will come from our people – from us, the ordinary citizens of our country.
“Two things tell us why Good Citizenship is an important ingredients to our success as a nation.
“The first is actually a principle, an old universal principle which says that “the whole is made up of parts”. And when you strengthen the parts, which compose the whole, you also necessarily strengthen the whole itself. Our Philippines is like that too. It is a whole that is composed of little things – the 86 million individual Filipinos love our country – this love of country or patriotism will become the cement that will blind and unite all our 86 million Filipinos as one people, so we can become as one nation, and hopefully as one great that we all deserve to be.
“The second thing is this – The peoples of the most developed countries of the world – most, if not all of them are good citizens. This is also true with the peoples of Japan and Singapore. They are good citizens because they know how to follow their laws. They know their duties to their governments. They know their responsibilities to their fellowmen. Even when they have bad leaders, the peoples in these countries to be good citizens, perhaps because they know that they are doing it for their country first and foremost, and secondary only for their leaders.
“I firmly believe that this is also what we need in our country today – a culture of good citizenship.”
I leave the reader with these thoughts in the hope that some (or even all) of Alex Lacson’s ideas will become part of your own New Year’s Resolution for 2008.

LokiJr

I have a different take on this one:
"9. If you are remitting funds to your relatives in the Philippines, teach them to save 15 or 20 percent of the funds."

Don't remit everything to the Philippines. Instead, save that yourself It makes perfect sense to control the money...plus the fact that Australia's interest rate is higher than in the Philippines so your long term return is better

kenkoy

@sheep ur post reminds me of this and may i quote:

" A borderless world presents a bigger opportunity, yet one that is not so much abandonment but an extension of identity. Even as we take, we give back. We are the 40,000 skilled nurses who support the UK's National Health Service. We are the quarter-of-a- million seafarers manning most of the world's commercial ships. We are your software engineers in Ireland, your construction workers in the Middle East, your doctors and caregivers in North America, and, your musical artists in London's West End. Nationalism isn't bound by time or place. People from other nations migrate to create new nations, yet still remain essentially who they are. British society is itself an example of a multi-cultural nation, a melting pot of races, religions, arts and cultures. We are, indeed, in a borderless world! Leaving sometimes isn't a matter of choice. It's coming back that is. The Hobbits of the shire travelled all over Middle-Earth, but they chose to come home, richer in every sense of the word. We call people like these balikbayans or the 'returnees' -- those who followed their dream, yet choose to return and share their mature talents and good fortune. In a few years, I may take advantage of whatever opportunities come my way. But I will come home. A borderless world doesn't preclude the idea of a home. I'm a Filipino, and I'll always be one. It isn't about just geography; it isn't about boundaries. It's about giving back to the country that shaped me. And that's going to be more important to me than seeing snow outside my windows on a bright Christmas morning.

http://lifemoto.blogspot.com.au/2009/10/pinay-wins-it-big-in-london-patricia.html

viperbuzz12

so bakit nga ba australia? >-

icebreaker1928

pambihira... ang hahaba ng mga post... ibang thread na nga lang mabasa hahaha

aolee

Ang hahaba ng mga post sa previous page. sorry guys hindi ko na binasa.

Remind ko lang wala sanang mabuong heated discussion dahil malapit na ang pasko.

>-

LittleBoyBlue

Bakit Australia? Nagustuhan ko yung outdoors, nagustuhan ko yung sports minded na environment, at the fact na relatively madali makabili ng bahay at kotse compared to SG. Thankful ako sa SG, pero from the start pa lang wala di ko naramdaman na gusto ko mag-settle dito eh.

Bakit hindi Pilipinas? Traffic sa Manila, yung system of government, peace and order halos out-of-control na. Education, pababa ng pababa quality. Come to think of it, yung problema ng pilipinas nung bata ako is the same problem hanggang sa tumanda nako, baha, poor quality na infrastructure, terrible service ng gobyerno. Hindi ko na sinama corruption, kasi mahirap talaga ma-resolve corruption even sa ibang bansa. Hindi ko gusto chances ko, so I'll take a risk somewhere else and put my talent to good use.

alexamae

Hi @sheep daghan ko nakat-onan pod sa inyo conversation ni @li_i_ren
Marami ako natutunan sa mga post ninyong dalawa.
Parehong tama ang mga sinasabi nyo.