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ANZSCO 233111 Chemical Engineer [Visa 189]
27.APR.2013___IELTS GT Exam - British Council [Result: 10-Points Eligible]
19.JUL.2013___Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia (EA) via DHL
16.OCT.2013___Received Notice of Shortcoming (EA) via email
21.OCT.2013___Responded to EA via email
26.NOV.2013___Received Positive Assessment Result from EA via snail mail dated 11.Nov.2013 (Praise Jah!)
03.FEB.2014___EOI Submitted Online [60 points only]
28.APR.2014___Received Invitation to Lodge Skilled-Independent Permanent Visa Application (Praise Jah!)
12.JUN.2014___Lodged Visa Application; Uploaded Required Documents / Frontloaded NBI / Police Clearance / Etc.
05.JUL.2014___Completed Medical Requirements at Nationwide Health (3-5 working days to DIBP)
12.JUL.2014___Frontloaded Form 80
17.JUL.2014___Complete Medical Report Uploaded to DIBP: 'Organise your health examinations' was changed to 'No health examinations are required for this person for this visa subclass based on the information provided to the Department of Immigration and Border Protection.' (Praise Jah!)
06.AUG.2014___CO Allocation (Team 23 GSM Adelaide; CO Initials EO) [55 Days From Lodgement] (Praise Jah!)
18.AUG.2014___Visa Grant (Golden Email Received from new CO: MD) [67 Days From Lodgement] [IED July2015] (Praise Jah!) GOAL! THANK YOU LORD!
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|Padayon| Keep a stronger faith| All is well|
Posts: 78Member
Joined: Dec 09, 2013
12/09/13 - Started collecting documents
01/18/14 - Submitted ACS (Analyst programmer 261311)
01/19/14 - Procrastination (iELTS review)
- Wasted time in Dota 2
03/31/14 - Received positive result: ACS assessment suitable
04/01/14 - Procrastination (iELTS)
- Petiks in reviewing iELTS
- Wasted time in Diablo 3 Reaper of Souls
04/22/14 - Start iELTS review no more excuses
06/21/14 - ielts IDP: L = 7, S = 7, W = 6, R = 6 (boom sablay >,<)
08/16/14 - ielts IDP: L = 8, S = 7, W = 6, R = 7.5 (Writing again omg)
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ANZSCO 233111 Chemical Engineer [Visa 189]
27.APR.2013___IELTS GT Exam - British Council [Result: 10-Points Eligible]
19.JUL.2013___Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia (EA) via DHL
16.OCT.2013___Received Notice of Shortcoming (EA) via email
21.OCT.2013___Responded to EA via email
26.NOV.2013___Received Positive Assessment Result from EA via snail mail dated 11.Nov.2013 (Praise Jah!)
03.FEB.2014___EOI Submitted Online [60 points only]
28.APR.2014___Received Invitation to Lodge Skilled-Independent Permanent Visa Application (Praise Jah!)
12.JUN.2014___Lodged Visa Application; Uploaded Required Documents / Frontloaded NBI / Police Clearance / Etc.
05.JUL.2014___Completed Medical Requirements at Nationwide Health (3-5 working days to DIBP)
12.JUL.2014___Frontloaded Form 80
17.JUL.2014___Complete Medical Report Uploaded to DIBP: 'Organise your health examinations' was changed to 'No health examinations are required for this person for this visa subclass based on the information provided to the Department of Immigration and Border Protection.' (Praise Jah!)
06.AUG.2014___CO Allocation (Team 23 GSM Adelaide; CO Initials EO) [55 Days From Lodgement] (Praise Jah!)
18.AUG.2014___Visa Grant (Golden Email Received from new CO: MD) [67 Days From Lodgement] [IED July2015] (Praise Jah!) GOAL! THANK YOU LORD!
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|Padayon| Keep a stronger faith| All is well|
Posts: 181Member
Joined: Aug 27, 2013
Oct 25, 2013: IELTS GT Exam results - Competent
April 30, 2014: EA Skills Letter received - IE 233511
Oct 22, 2014: NSW confirmed my application was received in
their system. SRN 1858 & 1867.
Jan 12, 2015: Received NSW SS approval. Thank you Lord!
Jan 12, 2015: Received Invitation to lodge Visa Subclass 190
from DIBP. Thank you Lord!
Jan 16, 2015: Lodged Visa Subclass 190 application (Family of 4)
Visa fee charged to my credit card.
Feb 20, 2015: CO allocated (Adelaide GSM Team5),
requested for Form 80.
Mar 03, 2015: Visa Grant. Thank you Lord!!!
Aug 28, 2015: Last working day as Senior SQE.
Sept 27,2015: Big Move to NSW Australia.
Jan 11, 2016: Started working as SQE in ResMed.
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ANZSCO 233111 Chemical Engineer [Visa 189]
27.APR.2013___IELTS GT Exam - British Council [Result: 10-Points Eligible]
19.JUL.2013___Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia (EA) via DHL
16.OCT.2013___Received Notice of Shortcoming (EA) via email
21.OCT.2013___Responded to EA via email
26.NOV.2013___Received Positive Assessment Result from EA via snail mail dated 11.Nov.2013 (Praise Jah!)
03.FEB.2014___EOI Submitted Online [60 points only]
28.APR.2014___Received Invitation to Lodge Skilled-Independent Permanent Visa Application (Praise Jah!)
12.JUN.2014___Lodged Visa Application; Uploaded Required Documents / Frontloaded NBI / Police Clearance / Etc.
05.JUL.2014___Completed Medical Requirements at Nationwide Health (3-5 working days to DIBP)
12.JUL.2014___Frontloaded Form 80
17.JUL.2014___Complete Medical Report Uploaded to DIBP: 'Organise your health examinations' was changed to 'No health examinations are required for this person for this visa subclass based on the information provided to the Department of Immigration and Border Protection.' (Praise Jah!)
06.AUG.2014___CO Allocation (Team 23 GSM Adelaide; CO Initials EO) [55 Days From Lodgement] (Praise Jah!)
18.AUG.2014___Visa Grant (Golden Email Received from new CO: MD) [67 Days From Lodgement] [IED July2015] (Praise Jah!) GOAL! THANK YOU LORD!
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|Padayon| Keep a stronger faith| All is well|
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Joined: Jul 03, 2013
gudlak brad! ;-)
Visa 189/190 Tracker (Please click and key in your updates): http://goo.gl/HdIYoG
ANZSCO 233111 Chemical Engineer [Visa 189]
27.APR.2013___IELTS GT Exam - British Council [Result: 10-Points Eligible]
19.JUL.2013___Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia (EA) via DHL
16.OCT.2013___Received Notice of Shortcoming (EA) via email
21.OCT.2013___Responded to EA via email
26.NOV.2013___Received Positive Assessment Result from EA via snail mail dated 11.Nov.2013 (Praise Jah!)
03.FEB.2014___EOI Submitted Online [60 points only]
28.APR.2014___Received Invitation to Lodge Skilled-Independent Permanent Visa Application (Praise Jah!)
12.JUN.2014___Lodged Visa Application; Uploaded Required Documents / Frontloaded NBI / Police Clearance / Etc.
05.JUL.2014___Completed Medical Requirements at Nationwide Health (3-5 working days to DIBP)
12.JUL.2014___Frontloaded Form 80
17.JUL.2014___Complete Medical Report Uploaded to DIBP: 'Organise your health examinations' was changed to 'No health examinations are required for this person for this visa subclass based on the information provided to the Department of Immigration and Border Protection.' (Praise Jah!)
06.AUG.2014___CO Allocation (Team 23 GSM Adelaide; CO Initials EO) [55 Days From Lodgement] (Praise Jah!)
18.AUG.2014___Visa Grant (Golden Email Received from new CO: MD) [67 Days From Lodgement] [IED July2015] (Praise Jah!) GOAL! THANK YOU LORD!
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|Padayon| Keep a stronger faith| All is well|
Posts: 181Member
Joined: Aug 27, 2013
Oct 25, 2013: IELTS GT Exam results - Competent
April 30, 2014: EA Skills Letter received - IE 233511
Oct 22, 2014: NSW confirmed my application was received in
their system. SRN 1858 & 1867.
Jan 12, 2015: Received NSW SS approval. Thank you Lord!
Jan 12, 2015: Received Invitation to lodge Visa Subclass 190
from DIBP. Thank you Lord!
Jan 16, 2015: Lodged Visa Subclass 190 application (Family of 4)
Visa fee charged to my credit card.
Feb 20, 2015: CO allocated (Adelaide GSM Team5),
requested for Form 80.
Mar 03, 2015: Visa Grant. Thank you Lord!!!
Aug 28, 2015: Last working day as Senior SQE.
Sept 27,2015: Big Move to NSW Australia.
Jan 11, 2016: Started working as SQE in ResMed.
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ANZSCO 233111 Chemical Engineer [Visa 189]
27.APR.2013___IELTS GT Exam - British Council [Result: 10-Points Eligible]
19.JUL.2013___Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia (EA) via DHL
16.OCT.2013___Received Notice of Shortcoming (EA) via email
21.OCT.2013___Responded to EA via email
26.NOV.2013___Received Positive Assessment Result from EA via snail mail dated 11.Nov.2013 (Praise Jah!)
03.FEB.2014___EOI Submitted Online [60 points only]
28.APR.2014___Received Invitation to Lodge Skilled-Independent Permanent Visa Application (Praise Jah!)
12.JUN.2014___Lodged Visa Application; Uploaded Required Documents / Frontloaded NBI / Police Clearance / Etc.
05.JUL.2014___Completed Medical Requirements at Nationwide Health (3-5 working days to DIBP)
12.JUL.2014___Frontloaded Form 80
17.JUL.2014___Complete Medical Report Uploaded to DIBP: 'Organise your health examinations' was changed to 'No health examinations are required for this person for this visa subclass based on the information provided to the Department of Immigration and Border Protection.' (Praise Jah!)
06.AUG.2014___CO Allocation (Team 23 GSM Adelaide; CO Initials EO) [55 Days From Lodgement] (Praise Jah!)
18.AUG.2014___Visa Grant (Golden Email Received from new CO: MD) [67 Days From Lodgement] [IED July2015] (Praise Jah!) GOAL! THANK YOU LORD!
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Joined: Nov 20, 2013
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ANZSCO 233111 Chemical Engineer [Visa 189]
27.APR.2013___IELTS GT Exam - British Council [Result: 10-Points Eligible]
19.JUL.2013___Submitted CDR to Engineers Australia (EA) via DHL
16.OCT.2013___Received Notice of Shortcoming (EA) via email
21.OCT.2013___Responded to EA via email
26.NOV.2013___Received Positive Assessment Result from EA via snail mail dated 11.Nov.2013 (Praise Jah!)
03.FEB.2014___EOI Submitted Online [60 points only]
28.APR.2014___Received Invitation to Lodge Skilled-Independent Permanent Visa Application (Praise Jah!)
12.JUN.2014___Lodged Visa Application; Uploaded Required Documents / Frontloaded NBI / Police Clearance / Etc.
05.JUL.2014___Completed Medical Requirements at Nationwide Health (3-5 working days to DIBP)
12.JUL.2014___Frontloaded Form 80
17.JUL.2014___Complete Medical Report Uploaded to DIBP: 'Organise your health examinations' was changed to 'No health examinations are required for this person for this visa subclass based on the information provided to the Department of Immigration and Border Protection.' (Praise Jah!)
06.AUG.2014___CO Allocation (Team 23 GSM Adelaide; CO Initials EO) [55 Days From Lodgement] (Praise Jah!)
18.AUG.2014___Visa Grant (Golden Email Received from new CO: MD) [67 Days From Lodgement] [IED July2015] (Praise Jah!) GOAL! THANK YOU LORD!
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|Padayon| Keep a stronger faith| All is well|
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Joined: Jun 03, 2014
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may result na takers from SG in British Council.
Parang gusto ko magparemark sa speaking kase confident ako na slightly better yung speaking ko compared to 1st take pero yung score ko nag drop ng 1.0.
1st take:
Listening - 8.5
Reading - 7.0
Writing - 6.0
Speaking - 7.0
2nd take:
Listening - 7.5
Reading - 7.5
Writing - 7.5
Speaking - 6.0
Pwede kaya umangat from 6.0 to 7.0 ang score sa speaking? Yung nag interview pati saken yung 2nd take medyo suplado compared sa 1st take ko. Nakakahinayang kase mag retake after ibuhos ko yung time of review ko sa writing.
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1st take
Listening - 7.5
Reading - 7.0
Writing - 5.5
Speaking - 7.5
2nd take
Listening - 7.5
Reading - 7
Writing - 6
Speaking - 7.0
3rd take - JULY 19
Listening - 7.5
Reading - 7.0
Writing - 7.0
Speaking - 6.0
Confident ako sa speaking ko eh... Anyway pare mark ko siya and take ulit ako sa august 16.. God is good and He has a reason for this. This is the most difficult exam in my life! haha (PMP cert exam, board exam etc.)
2013 - 1st IELTS L 7.5 R 7.5 W 5.5 S 7.5
April 2014 - 2nd IELTS L 7.5 R 7.0 W 6.0 S 7.0
14 May 2014 - CDR sent via DHL Singapore
16 May 2014 - Delivered at EA
19 May 2014 - 870 AUD charged to my credit card. Waiting game starts now
7 August 2014 - EOR for my IELTS L 7.5 R 7 W 7 S 6
26 August 2014 - EA Positive results Civil Engineer
11 October 2014 EOR Speaking 6 to 6.5
28 Feb IELTS success! 10 pts! L 7.5 R 8 W 7 S 7.5
13 March 2015 EOI submitted visa 189 65 pts.
27 March Invited
27 March Lodged! At long last. In His perfect timing. Scan documents and obtain clearances and medical
11 May VISA GRANT! Direct grant. Did not upload form 80
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Joined: Jan 24, 2013
By the way, anybody here who experienced to take IELTS in HK?
2013-Jan : Decided to pursue my OZ dream
2013-Nov : 1st Ielts-GT @ BC Manila: L-8;R-6.5;W-7.5;S-7.5
2014-Mar : 2nd Ielts-GT @ BC Manila: L-8;R-8.5;W-6.5;S-7.5
Pahinga muna. Sakit sa puso at bulsa!
2015-May : 1st PTE-A @ Bright Center: L-85;R-70;S-45;W-90
2015-May : 2nd PTE-A @Bright Center; L-90;R-70;S-47; W-90
2015-July : 3rd PTE-A @Pearson: L-90;R-77;S-83; W-90
2015-July 20 - Lodged docs to Vetassess
2015-Oct 1: VET Positive outcome
2015-Oct 1: Submitted EOI 190 visa to NSW (55+5)
2015-Oct 4: Submitted EOI 190 visa to QLD (55+5)
2015-Oct 5: QLD responded, rejected 190 due to change in occupation list but offered ITA for 489 visa instead
2015-Nov 2: DIBP points adjusted to 60+5 (due to additional 1 year working experience)
2015-Nov 26: ITA for SS NSW
2015-Nov 28: Submitted SS application
2015-Dec 17: SS Approved + Received 190 ITA
2015-Dec 23: Lodged 190
2016-Jan 5: Medical @ Nationwide (Php5,600 na ang fee!!)
2016-Jan 8: Medical Clearance Provided - no action required (Thank you Lord!)
2016-Jan 18: Applied for Driving SP and Direct Visa Grant!!! (Thank You Lord!)
2016-Jan 26: PDOS @ CFO Manila + Enrolled at A1 Driving
2016-Mar 14: BIG MOVE!:)
PRAY HARD, WORK HARDER!
Compilation of tips/resources/stories for PTE Academic Preparation: pteacademicreview.wordpress.com
Template or "cheat sheet" as called by many: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1OZBrQj0i5LWU1EYVZTaDF4VzA/view?usp=sharing
sana po makatulong.. God bless!
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09-07-14 - Visa Grant! Thank you so much, Lord! IED 03-03-15
15-09-14 - Landed in Radelaide! South Australia
29-09-14 - Started working in Adelaide South Australia
28-09-15 - Left the first job
06-10-15 - Started the second job
18-09-16 - Moved to Sydney
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ANZSCO: 223111
2013 Oct: esep-esep
2014 July: go-go na sa IELTS
2014 Aug: IELTS Results (L:9, R:7.5, W:6.5, S:7.5)
2014 Aug: Availed of VETASSESS Advisory Service for my nominated occupation dilemma (223111 or 224213)
2014 Aug: After 10 business days, Advisory Service POSITIVE for 223111
2014 Aug: Paid 230 sgd for IELTS Remarking
2014 Oct: Result of IELTS Remarking - Remain unchanged. (Writing: 6.5)
2014 Nov: Submitted VETASSESS Skills Assessment
2014 Dec: IELTS Retake (L: 9, R: 8.5, W: 6.5, S: 7)
2015 Jan: vetassess POSITIVE
2015 May: IELTS 3rd take (L: 8, R:9, W: 7.5, S: 7.5) - Thank you, Lord!
Posts: 440Member
Joined: Jan 24, 2014
Accountant (221111)
Mar 2014 IELTS Davao L7.5 R7 S8 W6.5
Dec 2015 Discovered PTE
5 Jan 16 PTE - L82 R84 S71 W83
2 Feb 16 CPAA Positive assessment, EOI 60, NSW 65
4 Feb 16 PTE - L88 R76 S65 W90
22 Feb 16 PTE - L84 R74 S49 W90
29 May16 EOI update 65, NSW 70
16 Jun 16 PTE - L80 R83 S61 W90
20 Sep 16 PTE - L86 R83 S74 W90
2 Mar 17 PTE - L90 R90 S87 W90
4 Mar 17 EOI update 75, NSW 80
15 Mar 17 ITA received
31 Mar 17 Medicals cleared (primary and dependents)
12 Apr 17 Lodged 189 VISA
22 Apr 17 VISA grant DG
1 Nov 17 Big Move (Whyalla, south au)
6 nov 17. 1st day of work
In God's time..
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Joined: Feb 11, 2014
@karl_amogawin san ka ng exam?
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05/17/11 - ACS favorable result released for my husband's skills assessment nominated job-261311 Analyst Programmer.
12/10/11 - Hubby IELTS first take at BC result L & R-5.5, W & S-6.0 OBS=6.0 retake!!!
12/30/11- Hubby registered at 9.0 Niners.
03/15/14 - Hubby's comeback at 9.0 Niners preparing for IELTS test. Second attempt for Australian visa.
05/12/14 - Complete uploading of ACS skills assessment required documents and payment made thru direct deposit.
05/12/14 - ACS assessment application received.
07/02/14 - ACS skills assessment result suitable ANZCO code 262113 Systems Administrator as recommended by CO for hubby's job description rather than ANZCO 261311 Analyst Programmer the first ACS ANZCO result suitable released in 2011. I conclude ACS reclassifies ICT Occupations.
- Work exp. 12yrs. less 6yrs deduction by ACS.
- Educ. Qualification assessed as AQF Associate Degree major in computing for a 4yr. course BS. Computer Science in a section 2 school.
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San ka sumabit? Ngayon concentrate ako on reading articles para makakuha ng mga style for writing. And also I am talking more to my colleagues at work to practice speaking more..
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ANZSCO 233211 (Civil Engineer)
July - Aug 2014 Completed all docs
Sept. 4, 2014 IELTS Speaking Test - IDP Makati
Sept. 6, 2014 Sat IELTS Test GT (L, R, W) - Dusit Thani Hotel
Sept. 15, 2014 Sent CDR to EA via LBC
Sept. 18, 2014 EA received CDR confirmed thru LBC Tracking
Sept. 19, 2014 EA charged my Prepaid Card Php35,705 (CDR + Skilled Employment)
Sept. 19, 2014 Got IELTS Results (L 8.0 R 8.5 W 6.5 S 7.0) ok for EA Assessment, need to re-take though
Jan. 9 & 10, 2015 IELTS 2nd Take
Jan. 22, 2015 Asked EA CO for a scanned copy of my outcome letter, Professional Engineer + 3 yrs work experience
Jan. 23, 2015 IELTS Take 2 Result: L 7.5 R 8.0 S 8.0 W 6.5 (Failed, need to sit IELTS for the 3rd time, will also try remarking)
Feb. 7, 2015 IELTS Take 3 @ IDP Tagaytay
Feb. 10, 2015 Submitted IELTS take 2 remarking
Feb. 13, 2015 Received positive EA result via mail
Feb. 20, 2015 IELTS Take 3 Result: L 8.5 R 8.5 S 6.5 W 7.0 (Failed Again, will just wait for remarking result)
March 24, 2015 Got IELTS take 2 remarking result, W 6.5 changed to 7.0 (Glory be to God!)
March 25, 2015 Submitted EOI (Visa 189)
May 8, 2015 Received Invitation to Apply
June 3, 2015 Lodged Visa 189 Application, paid P126,255 thru EON Card
June 20, 2015 My Medical at Nationwide Health Makati
June 25, 2015 My Medicals finalized
July 23, 2015 CO Allocated, requesting medical and docs of hubby and kids (non-migrating dependents)
Aug 5, 2015 Submitted requested docs thru immiaccount and CO's email
Aug 15, 2015 Kids' medical at Nationwide
Aug 18, 2015 Kids' medical finalized
Aug 19, 2015 Hubby medical at Nationwide
Aug 25, 2015 Hubby medical finalized
Aug 31, 2015 Visa Grant
Oct 29, 2015 Touched down Sydney :-)
Nov 17, 2015 Day 1 at Casual Job - still on permanent job hunting mode
Nov 24, 2015 Got a full time job as Learning and Development Officer Thank you Lord
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I haven't lost everything except my mind...
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Yes bro, sa BC SG ako nag exam. Mukhang namemera nga lang. hehe. Anyway, pagbubutihin ko ng todo sa next time. Retake din ulet ako sa Sept 06 while waiting sa remarking. Stick to BC SG muna ako baka kase manibago ako sa environment ng IDP. Good luck sa aten.