Bakit Australia?

TasBurrfoot · September 2012

Reply to @aolee:
Diba imposible nang mag apply ng citizenship sa SG ngayon? Saka pamilyado kayo kaya di hamak mas ok sa Australia
Mahirap na ba? OMG... but I like SG naman ang liit ng tax tapos pag Englishero ka pa mas may edge ka sa iba specially kung may accent ka. No offense.

Napupuno na kasi ng mga Pinoy ang HDB daw nila tapos puro dual citizen pa kaya sabi duon "wag na istrict na citizen pang insek na lang."

Kahit a successful application for a Permanent Residence here in Singapore is becoming rare nowadays. Case in point was my Global Brand Manager for a certain FMCG company here; less than 2 months after he applied, he got the response in a thin envelope (meaning his application was rejected...)

One of the VP also in our bank, despite the fact that he is caucasian, he also got ta response in less than 2 months in a thin envelope.

I could imagine it would even be harder I believe to get the SG Citizenship...

and yeah, there is no such thing as a dual citizenship for Singaporeans!

tita_vech · September 2012

Bakit Australia?

Walang kasi halos infectious diseases na nakakapasok - like H1N1 or SARS. I supposed ganun din sa NZ.

Naalala ko early 90's may mga taong nagka-TB dito, but they found out na most of them galing holiday overseas. Mga 6 na tao lang pero very alarming for them kaya nasa news pa.

aolee · September 2012

@psychoboy Just have a friend whos citizenship application got approved lately. May puma pasa nmn pala but for pr application wala bihira n Talaga.

@loki nagdadalawang isip kme wife ko to apply a citizenship, gusto Talaga nmn oz. hopefully mkalipad kme dyan at ma feel ang env don

@tina tama ka masarap dito s sg ung tax, mararamdaman mo sweldo ng buo. Plus CPF pa.

hotshot · September 2012

@aolee : oo nga po...ok dito sa SG ay yung sobrang babang tax and 16% CPF contribution ng employer. sa OZ ba talagang 9% lang ang super? tapos around 20-30% ang tax?

pero kahit na ganito...OZ pa din! hehehe

TasBurrfoot · September 2012

@psychoboy Just have a friend whos citizenship application got approved lately. May puma pasa nmn pala but for pr application wala bihira n Talaga.

@loki nagdadalawang isip kme wife ko to apply a citizenship, gusto Talaga nmn oz. hopefully mkalipad kme dyan at ma feel ang env don

@tina tama ka masarap dito s sg ung tax, mararamdaman mo sweldo ng buo. Plus CPF pa.

@aolee - ah meron pa pala pumasa sa citizenship? just curious is your friend Filipino?

Yeah, PR application parang halos lahat na ng reply nila in a thin envelope...

paris_hipon · September 2012

Just a thought that crossed my mind. Im not questioning about the integrity of the family benefits from the govt or anything, maybe it is indeed good. But I just thought if their country is family oriented, why do they only have 20 million population? Looking at their huge geography in the map, theyre not just a country but they are a continent!!

Just a thought why like that hehe. :-B

JClem · September 2012

Based on an article I read before, that's the reason why AU government gives family benefits like child care allowance. Dahil maliit population nila, they encourage their people to grow their families by providing allowances. This is one way for them to cultivate human resource and eventually minimize migrating other nationalities in their country. That's have been their program for so long but still di pa din lumalaki population nila and patuloy pa din migration plans nila. Actually, tumataas ang population nila but that's because of migrants. If you think about it further, opposite sa Pilipinas. Palaki ng palaki population satin. Minsan yung mga mahihirap pa ang malaki ang pamilya. That's one of the sad truths in our country.

Just a thought that crossed my mind. Im not questioning about the integrity of the family benefits from the govt or anything, maybe it is indeed good. But I just thought if their country is family oriented, why do they only have 20 million population? Looking at their huge geography in the map, theyre not just a country but they are a continent!!

Just a thought why like that hehe. :-B

mikaela01 · September 2012

Bakit Australia?
Beyond comparison pero I can't help not to compare, ang 1 dollar dito makakabili ng 1 bag of apple, or 1 bag of carrots, or 1 loaf of sliced bread, or a carton of milk or juice, whereas sa Pilipinas ang piso candy lang ang mabibili.

LokiJr · September 2012

Reply to @aolee:
Diba imposible nang mag apply ng citizenship sa SG ngayon? Saka pamilyado kayo kaya di hamak mas ok sa Australia
Mahirap na ba? OMG... but I like SG naman ang liit ng tax tapos pag Englishero ka pa mas may edge ka sa iba specially kung may accent ka. No offense.

Napupuno na kasi ng mga Pinoy ang HDB daw nila tapos puro dual citizen pa kaya sabi duon "wag na istrict na citizen pang insek na lang."

Anliit ng land mass kasi ng Singapore saka sobra silang focused sa financial sector...kung pamilyado mas maganda kung malaki yung bansa yung maraming mapupuntahan kaya ayun hehe...Yung tax, mataas sa Australia pero andami naman nilang tax deductions at offsets diba so medyo bawi na rin hehe.

Yung huling balita narinig ko may pinasa gobyerno nila na billion dollar subsidy sa dental care sa bansa --that's how progressive they are...sa atin tingnan niyo naman hehe...langit at lupa ang pagkakaiba :O

aldousnow · September 2012

isa pa gusto ko dito, makakakain ka sa gusto mo kainan.. kahit na class na restau, pwede mo makainan as long as na may work ka. sa pinas, tanda ko, hindi kaya ng budget sa sahod ko.. at magdadalawang isip ka talaga. hehehe.
tapos isa pa, makakabili ka din ng damit na branded as long as na may work ka. lalo na sa mga DFO (Direct Factory Outlet). at kapag nag sale dito.. as in sale talaga.. 30%, 50%, 70% minsan 80% pa nga.. at yung sale nila e mga bagong stock unlike sa pinas, sale nga ang baba naman.. tapos ang sinasale pa nila e yung mga hindi bumenta or lumang stock or yung iba kapag minalas malas ka e may damage pala.

paris_hipon · September 2012

Hindi lang cguro talaga pala anak mga Aussie. Sa us, lam ko ket caucasians sila malaki din population nila. In Singapore, people here are mostly money oriented so hindi din nila priority ang magka anak. Normal na dito sa mga locals ung mga single ket 60 yos above na and nakatira mag 1 sa haws.

stolich18 · September 2012

@aldousnow

haha actually ung outlets nga gusto ko mahanap sa AU! Akala ko kase wala nyan, sa US kase marami. hehhe
Nakita ko nga Tory burch online sa AU na mukhang part ng factory outlet. Sobrang mura compared sa Rustan's dito sa Pinas! ahihihi

looking forward to these. Ahihihi But syempre work muna!

aldousnow · September 2012

@jaero may malapit sa southern cross station sa melbourne. sa southern cross, tapos sakay ng tram, two stations lang ng tram ayun na.

JClem · September 2012

hi @paris_hipon! yung term na "ket" is "kahit"?

Hindi lang cguro talaga pala anak mga Aussie. Sa us, lam ko ket caucasians sila malaki din population nila. In Singapore, people here are mostly money oriented so hindi din nila priority ang magka anak. Normal na dito sa mga locals ung mga single ket 60 yos above na and nakatira mag 1 sa haws.

stolich18 · September 2012

@jaero
ahehe thanks @jaero!

LokiJr · September 2012

Hindi lang cguro talaga pala anak mga Aussie. Sa us, lam ko ket caucasians sila malaki din population nila. In Singapore, people here are mostly money oriented so hindi din nila priority ang magka anak. Normal na dito sa mga locals ung mga single ket 60 yos above na and nakatira mag 1 sa haws.

Hindi sila pala-anak kasi mas praktikal sila hehe...Mas gusto nilang tutukan at alagaan yung isa o dalawa nilang anak para siguradong maganda kinabukasan nila.

Tayo mga pinoy kasi naniniwala namang pag mas maraming anak, mas maraming mag-aalaga sayo pagtanda --so sablay diba hehe

yukie77 · November 2012

@lctan1 and @aolee wow! was browsing the old messages and read that you are both from CCF..galing! I am from CCf too..ccf SG, newbie here. Is there a CCF in AU - Melbourne?Sydney?
Galing naman. I guess sort of related to the thread's subject narin right? - Bakit Australia.. It would really be great if there is a CCF there too

Thanks!

rara_avis · November 2012

Hello Everyone! Nasa SG kami ng Husband ko and we are planning to submit our EOI by January. Kaya kami nagbabalak umalis ng Singapore kasi sobrang higpit na sila dito, pahirapan na pag-approve ng PR pati na din yung Employment Visa. Tapos sobrang mahal ng bahay at PR lang and citizens pwede makabili. Kung makabili ka naman eh 99 years mo lang pwede tirahan.. Di naman siguro kami mabubuhay ng ganyan katagal pero hindi ko pwede ipamana sa mga apo ko yung bahay. Hehehe.

Ako yung primary applicant and ICT Business Analyst ang skill ko. Bakit gusto namin sa AU? Originally dapat sa NZ kami mag-susubmit ng application, nag-submit na nga ako ng Partial Assessment nung Saturday, kaso kagabi lang namin napag-isip isip na mas okay sa AU. Eto yung mga reasons why AU ang pinili namin:

1. Ang NZ it's either residence visa or job search visa ang ibibigay sayo. Pag job search visa, kailangan within 9 months ng approval makahanap ka ng stable work na related sa skill mo tapos yung family members na kasama sa application ang visa nila limited lang (di ko masyadong na-research etong part na to, pero most likely pwede lang silang pumasok sa NZ on Tourist Visa). Sa AU pag na-approve ka residence visa agad.

2. Sa NZ hindi nga initially required ang IELTS, pero depende sa officer na matapat sayo, pwedeng i-require kayo ng partner mo na mag-take ng IELTS. At least sa AU upfront alam mo ng kailangan mo mag IELTS tapos ang partner hindi naman required mag IELTS kung hindi ka din magke-claim ng points.

3. Sa NZ pag hindi accredited ang school mo, kailangan mo magpa-assess ng skills. Ganun din naman sa AU kaso mas mahal sa NZ pag kinonvert ang assessment. For an IT Professional ang cost ng assessment sa NZ is around 580 AUD. Tapos madami pa ako nababasa na yung assessment na binibigay sa kanila minsan Level 5 lang kahit Bachelor's Degree. Eh pag IT Pro kailangan mo ng assessment na at least Level 7 para mag-claim ng bonus points. Sa AU parang halos wala pa akong nababasa na negative ang assessment ng ACS.

4. Walang interview with the case officer sa AU! Mas mabilis din ang approval ng Visa. Sa NZ ang timeline from the time na mag-submit ka ng EOI until ma-approve eh ang shortest is 1 year based sa mga nabasa ko. Eh mainipin pa naman ako.

5. Walang bayad ang EOI sa AU.

6. Kinompute namin ang immigration expenses ng AU and NZ and mas mura ng around 87K Pesos ang cost for AU. Yung difference is hindi kasama yung settlement fund for NZ ha, yung cost lang talaga ng immigration application. Mas mahal nga ang Visa Lodgement fee ng AU pero sa NZ naman may bayad ang EOI tapos may bayad din ang invitation to apply. Meron pang migrant levy.

7. Mas malaki ang sweldo sa AU.

8. May IKEA sa AU sa NZ wala!!

Seryoso, isinama ko ito sa Pro's and Con's list namin. Haha!

TasBurrfoot · November 2012

@rara_avis - nice to see your inputs...

Earlier this year, me and my wife tried applying for NZ PR - nagbayad na kami ng EOI and we had our IELTS already as well. We were hopefully na mabigyan ng invitation, however they informed as that the work experience of my wife cannot claim for points hence we were placed on the waiting list. It went on for 2 months until the school of my wife was dislodged from the list of qualified schools... Ayun that was the nail in the coffin.

Short to say, last July our EOI in NZ has already expired. Buti nalang we got the chance to visit Australia for a quick vacation (sometime last June), we quickly fell in love with the place but we did not think of applying yet as we were still "traumatized" with our NZ experience.

Sa pagikot-ikot namin, we met 2 Filipinos who were based in Melbourne. They gave us the courage and inspiration to research and apply about getting a skilled migrant visa. Ayun, when we arrived back here in Singapore, I researched thoroughly about the whole process and became more active in this forum...

And the rest they say is history!

And yeah, I have repeated this again and again in previous post but I am proud to say that Singapore has rejected me and my wife's PR application TWICE...

THings happen for a reason; in our case, we were denied SG and NZ PR because probably AU is meant for us. As and when that is really the case, we shall see when we arrive next April. For now, I can only hope that sana ito na nga...

rara_avis · November 2012

@psychoboy Naniniwala ako na totoo yung sinasabi nilang blessing in disguise tulad ng nangyari sa case nyo ng wife mo. Ako naman yung EP renewal ko nireject. Pangatlong renewal ko na yun and I have been working in SG for almost 4 years na, same company. Nag-appeal na din kami, nireject ulit. Kung di talaga nila i-approve eh ipapasok ako na ako sa agency. Buti na lang willing ang company na ayusin yung renewal ko. May more than 2 months pa naman bago mag-expire ang visa ko pero sobrang nakaka-stress syang isipin. Kaya ito din ang dahilan kung bakit nag-decide kami na maghanap na ng other options.

Yun nga isa pang mahirap sa NZ, may bayad na yung EOI mabilis pa mag-expire. Nakaka-inspire yung timeline nyo ang bilis! Normal ba yan assuming na maprovide mo lahat ng documents required? Very hopeful kaming mag-asawa na mabigyan ng chance mag-migrate sa AU. With God's help sana by January 2014 makalipat na kami sa AU.

TasBurrfoot · November 2012

@rara_avis - the timelines for me and my wife are normal ata IF you don't have any problems with medicals and you have provided all your documents.

However, we were given an invite kasi some weeks back wherein 2K per month and iniinvite nila to lodge an application. Sa Sept rounds naman, a total of 1K where invited. Ngayon for the whole of November, 3K and target nila na iinvite.

By December cguro, they will increase it again - what this mean is that, it may require DIAC some more time in order to process an application. With the numbers of CO constant and the number of applications increasing, normal lang na tataas ang turn-around time nila.

Hopefully though it should not be like before wherein it will take months...

Goodluck to you!!

JClem · November 2012

These are exactly my reasons why we chose AU over NZ. Tas we were surprised pa when we arrived here, we learned na yung Pinoy community na kilala namin dito sa Victoria, most of them PRs sa NZ pero nagmigrate pa din dito sa AU. Sabi nila kaya sila lumipat dito sa AU is because mas mataas ang sweldo and mababa cost of living dito compared to NZ. Plus mas mababait daw mga Australians sabi nila and mas accepted ang migrants dito.

Hello Everyone! Nasa SG kami ng Husband ko and we are planning to submit our EOI by January. Kaya kami nagbabalak umalis ng Singapore kasi sobrang higpit na sila dito, pahirapan na pag-approve ng PR pati na din yung Employment Visa. Tapos sobrang mahal ng bahay at PR lang and citizens pwede makabili. Kung makabili ka naman eh 99 years mo lang pwede tirahan.. Di naman siguro kami mabubuhay ng ganyan katagal pero hindi ko pwede ipamana sa mga apo ko yung bahay. Hehehe.

Ako yung primary applicant and ICT Business Analyst ang skill ko. Bakit gusto namin sa AU? Originally dapat sa NZ kami mag-susubmit ng application, nag-submit na nga ako ng Partial Assessment nung Saturday, kaso kagabi lang namin napag-isip isip na mas okay sa AU. Eto yung mga reasons why AU ang pinili namin:

1. Ang NZ it's either residence visa or job search visa ang ibibigay sayo. Pag job search visa, kailangan within 9 months ng approval makahanap ka ng stable work na related sa skill mo tapos yung family members na kasama sa application ang visa nila limited lang (di ko masyadong na-research etong part na to, pero most likely pwede lang silang pumasok sa NZ on Tourist Visa). Sa AU pag na-approve ka residence visa agad.

2. Sa NZ hindi nga initially required ang IELTS, pero depende sa officer na matapat sayo, pwedeng i-require kayo ng partner mo na mag-take ng IELTS. At least sa AU upfront alam mo ng kailangan mo mag IELTS tapos ang partner hindi naman required mag IELTS kung hindi ka din magke-claim ng points.

3. Sa NZ pag hindi accredited ang school mo, kailangan mo magpa-assess ng skills. Ganun din naman sa AU kaso mas mahal sa NZ pag kinonvert ang assessment. For an IT Professional ang cost ng assessment sa NZ is around 580 AUD. Tapos madami pa ako nababasa na yung assessment na binibigay sa kanila minsan Level 5 lang kahit Bachelor's Degree. Eh pag IT Pro kailangan mo ng assessment na at least Level 7 para mag-claim ng bonus points. Sa AU parang halos wala pa akong nababasa na negative ang assessment ng ACS.

4. Walang interview with the case officer sa AU! Mas mabilis din ang approval ng Visa. Sa NZ ang timeline from the time na mag-submit ka ng EOI until ma-approve eh ang shortest is 1 year based sa mga nabasa ko. Eh mainipin pa naman ako.

5. Walang bayad ang EOI sa AU.

6. Kinompute namin ang immigration expenses ng AU and NZ and mas mura ng around 87K Pesos ang cost for AU. Yung difference is hindi kasama yung settlement fund for NZ ha, yung cost lang talaga ng immigration application. Mas mahal nga ang Visa Lodgement fee ng AU pero sa NZ naman may bayad ang EOI tapos may bayad din ang invitation to apply. Meron pang migrant levy.

7. Mas malaki ang sweldo sa AU.

8. May IKEA sa AU sa NZ wala!! Seryoso, isinama ko ito sa Pro's and Con's list namin. Haha!

hotshot · November 2012

kahit sa NZ nyo balak, sa OZ pa din kayo magapply ng PR. kasi pag OZ PR kayo, pwede kayo tumira at magwork sa NZ din. so parang mas madaming options kung OZ PR ang hawak nyo.

aldousnow · November 2012

kahit sa NZ nyo balak, sa OZ pa din kayo magapply ng PR. kasi pag OZ PR kayo, pwede kayo tumira at magwork sa NZ din. so parang mas madaming options kung OZ PR ang hawak nyo.

ganun din ba pag vice versa?

hotshot · November 2012

kahit sa NZ nyo balak, sa OZ pa din kayo magapply ng PR. kasi pag OZ PR kayo, pwede kayo tumira at magwork sa NZ din. so parang mas madaming options kung OZ PR ang hawak nyo.
ganun din ba pag vice versa?

sa pagkakabasa ko...parang hindi e. so parang mas sulit kung OZ PR na lang. hehe

hotshot · November 2012

eto ay ayon sa wiki:

Benefits of New Zealand permanent resident status include:

-unrestricted rights to live, work and study in New Zealand.
-the right to apply for New Zealand citizenship after fulfilling normal residence requirements.
-domestic fees for education.
-the right to sponsor relatives for permanent residence, subject to fulfilling residence criteria and assurance of support requirements.
-children born in New Zealand will be New Zealand citizens by birth.
-the right to access medical and social security benefit.

Benefits of Australian permanent resident status include:

-Few limitations on employment in Australia. Some job opportunities, largely state or federal governmental work, require citizenship as opposed to permanent residence.[9]
-The right to apply for Australian citizenship after fulfilling some criteria.
-The right to apply for a Commonwealth supported place at approved higher education institutions.[10]
-For permanent residents accepted under the humanitarian program and enrolled in a Commonwealth supported place, the right to defer payment of their student contribution under the HECS-HELP scheme.[11]
-The right to sponsor relatives for permanent residence, subject to fulfilling residence criteria and assurance of support requirements.
-Children born inside Australia will be Australian citizens by birth.
-The right to access medical and social security benefits, though there is a 2-year waiting period for some benefits.
-The right to apply for Australian consular assistance overseas. (Although this right maybe subject to restrictions)[12]
-The right to travel to New Zealand without applying for a New Zealand visa. (This right is granted by the New Zealand government.)
-Unrestricted rights to live, work and study in New Zealand. (This right is granted by the New Zealand government.)

rara_avis · November 2012

@psychoboy San makikita kung ilan ang invitation limit per month? Tinry ko hanapin sa immigration site hindi ko mahanap.

@hotshot akala ko din pag NZ PR unrestricted access sa AU, hindi pala. Another reason kung bakit AU talaga ang better option!

lock_code2004 · November 2012

@rara_avis -
check this link: http://www.immi.gov.au/skills/skillselect/
and then go to the 4th tab "Reports"
-nandyan po ang information for all invitations..

rara_avis · November 2012

@lock_code2004 Thank you!

TotoyOZresident · November 2012

eto ay ayon sa wiki:

Benefits of New Zealand permanent resident status include:

-unrestricted rights to live, work and study in New Zealand.
-the right to apply for New Zealand citizenship after fulfilling normal residence requirements.
-domestic fees for education.
-the right to sponsor relatives for permanent residence, subject to fulfilling residence criteria and assurance of support requirements.
-children born in New Zealand will be New Zealand citizens by birth.
-the right to access medical and social security benefit.

Benefits of Australian permanent resident status include:

-Few limitations on employment in Australia. Some job opportunities, largely state or federal governmental work, require citizenship as opposed to permanent residence.[9]
-The right to apply for Australian citizenship after fulfilling some criteria.
-The right to apply for a Commonwealth supported place at approved higher education institutions.[10]
-For permanent residents accepted under the humanitarian program and enrolled in a Commonwealth supported place, the right to defer payment of their student contribution under the HECS-HELP scheme.[11]
-The right to sponsor relatives for permanent residence, subject to fulfilling residence criteria and assurance of support requirements.
-Children born inside Australia will be Australian citizens by birth.
-The right to access medical and social security benefits, though there is a 2-year waiting period for some benefits.
-The right to apply for Australian consular assistance overseas. (Although this right maybe subject to restrictions)[12]
-The right to travel to New Zealand without applying for a New Zealand visa. (This right is granted by the New Zealand government.)
-Unrestricted rights to live, work and study in New Zealand. (This right is granted by the New Zealand government.)